I can sell these magically overexpensive acessories in this dream reality you painted. I can’t make my 600 gold acessory drop be worth 7k.
The amount of wrong in this post is as high as crystal conversion 
- that happening is very far away in the future. As the owner of 6 chars over 1460, i can tell you that. Your calculation has to consider also that the cost of gearing alts up is also 6x just like the income, altho the gold generation is capped and bottlenecked.
Ask any korena player, and you ll know that after years they still have to get past the return of investment stage.
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and so your expenses go up x6. Items, gear, stones, set creations. If you want your alts able to farm and not leech you ll spend on them. Nearly as much as alt as far as engr books And access go.
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it s 6k x accessory. Multiplied 5, multiplied 6 chars. Thats 180k base excluding the cost of the accessories on top of cutting stones and crafting gear. Not so measly.
Pheons are reason market in lost ark will always be dead.
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technically you won’t
didynt wanted to mention that actually cause having “dad money” and spitting on “poor ppls” on forums would be just another level and actually self proving that wealth =/= any knowledge about
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Since when did those things become not good enough? A company making 10-15 dollars a month on a player has been sufficient for the last two decades. Why all the sudden is not enough??
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Be real, how many players are paying the actual money subscription for CA. I can guarentee that its very FEW since the 420 BC method can be done completely in the game and for $11 you technically get 6mo of it off the cusp. Most of their current month to month funding is people buying royals. Even the royal method of buying CA is cheaper then the straight up cash value.
I am. I am purchasing it in 6 month increments, with cash. Why? Because I want to support the developers and the game. And that is exactly how successful f2p models should work. Your game should be good and solid, so people want to spend money. Not extorted!!
I’ve played League since season 3, I buy skins anytime I see new ones that I like. I average about 10 bucks a month in RP. The moment they Start forcing me to pay for trivial game functions, I’m done paying, plain and simple.
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I also buy all the skins I want with IRL and anything I need BC for, card slots, bank space etc, ai buy those BC with RC that I, that’s right, spent IRL money on.
I don’t mind spending money on stuff like that, for games I actually like. But spend IRL or gold/BC for pheons, no way in hell. I will just take my business elsewhere before I do that.
I haven’t spent a DIME on pheons. As stated multiple times a WELL established account that is trying to gear up ALTS makes 20-30k gold a week which is more then enough to gear up a single alt that will NEVER have to be geared again essentially.
An Alt should only ever have to gear up once if not maybe TWICE in its ENTIRE lifetime.
Not for me. I don’t have time to capitalize on every possible gold outlet available to me. So I get about half. That gold goes into honing, trying to buy books, stronghold development and consumable crafting, since I’m an active participating member of the groups I am in and religiously use battle items. Spending half my available gold on pheons, to gear alts with gear found on a different character of mine, no thanks.
Yeah, whales fund f2p but casuals keep the lights on for hardcore players and for casuals, this pheons shit is a real problem.
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You know what the real kick in the crotch is with this system? I am already a self proclaimed casual. I don’t have the time to spend each week on this game like some people have, and that is okay with me. It has been okay with me for the last 15 years that I have casually played MMOs.
But this game, this system, it punishes me for it. I have been here since launch and my main is only 1450. I know everyone else is at 1475 - 1515 and I am okay with that. They have more time to play, so of course they are going to get there faster. I know with my available time, I will get there eventually. But in this damn game, with this crap system, the longer it takes me to get there, the more $$$ it costs me 
As hardcores are able to push the current content and spring into the upcoming content faster, the amount of gold they give out for said content, increases. Which means the value of gold decreases. Which means the conversion rate gets worse. Which means I have to spend more $$$ to get the same thing. The first couple of months of launch, BC prices where around 400 - 500 per 95, they are now 3 times that amount. The price for pheons in the store didn’t change, so it requires more of my limited gold, to accomplish the same thing and I am not talking about buying power for an alt here, I’m talking about giving an alt something I already found / earned.
Thats BS. It makes me feel like the IRL money I spent each month on CA and BC to get things like skins, card slots and bag space, just don’t mean shit to this company. It really doesn’t. Because even though I am a consistent paying customer, I am still hindered in normal game progressions, like giving alts my gear, because the company wants me to spend a tax to do so.
Really?
So if I am reading between the lines correctly, everything I have already did and continue to do is not good enough and the company sees fit to hinder my experience until I have satisfied their greed. Got it.
Im a huge Star Wars fan and I walked away from SWTOR when their pay model switched and they started taking advantage of loyal customers. I have no problem doing it again.
All these game companies should take a look at Riots pay model, because that is a shinning example of how to do things right. That model is a damn monolith! And say what you will about the games toxic community and shortcomings, but I have been playing that game for like the last 10 years, have spend hundreds in it and not once, NOT ONCE have I ever regretted a single purchase. I’m not saying it’s a better game, but its pay model is, hands down. I’ve never once felt like Riot was screwing me out of my money, I can’t say the same about AGS and smilegate atm.
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i mean if someone decides to not buy the exact amount of pheons and instead buys double or more of what they need…isnt that kind of on them? xD
ive always bought the exact amount of pheons, and i always take into account the free ones.
when i bought my 5x3 accessories on main i only had to buy the 100 pheon pack, and now after all the free pheons that i have gotten since i now have over 100 just sitting on my account lol
if you don’t buy the 100pheon pack you are burning even more gold
all packs do not cost the same
this is intended for you to overspend
as i said everyone is buying the 100 pheons
everyone is overspending on crystals
everyone is overspending on pheons
gold that is effectively evaporated
this is why the system sucks
if they put pheons at a merchant 1 per 100 gold LITERALLY nobody would give a shit about pheons
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so lets say you need 125 pheons and you have 0.
do you
buy two 100 packs for 850bc each (1700bc total) or do you buy a single 100 pack and a single 30 pack for a total of 1120bc?
if you answered two 100 packs you would be wrong.
you never buy more then you need at that moment. there is no “deal” you do not need that many damn pheons that you need to stockpile hundreds of them.
and if you do need that many pheons you fucked up big time.
i buy 200 because stones are not free
and if i don’t get the stone i will buy 100 again
and again
and then use the leftover for an alt eventually maybe a month in the future
even if i utilize those extra bought pheons i’m still overspending right now
again if you need that mean pheons you are fucking up.
the stone should be cut largely with the free pheons you get, which btw is more then enough to supplement getting a 7-7.
but we arnt talking bout cutting stone + getting accessories. we are talking bout getting the accessories, and that only requires 125 pheons.
while the stone is apart of your build is it not apart of the accessories.
you cant be overspending because the price is set. to over spend there would have to be a set value for the item and then the pheons would have to add on top of it. but what actually happens
is the item is worth the total cost of the pheons + the gold u buy it for directly.
so lets say you buy a stone that is posted for 30g in our current system, that stone has an actual value of 1000-1500gold. without the pheons people would be more willing to buy the stones for a much higher price so they wouldnt get posted for something as low as 30g and would more then likely be posted for atleast 1000g. meaning you would spend the same as you do now.
that low number is to compensate for the lack of rarity and the pheon cost.
Yea, I’m kinda hesitate to use pheon on my alt because it cost so much. This game is anti-multi char to the fullest.
No it wouldn’t.
If I list an item for 500 gold, it is at zero risk and absolutely zero extra cost for me… Whether there are pheons attached or not, I will receive 500 gold when it is sold.
Pheons have zero attachment to the seller and any earnings they receive.
You’re god damn right, you shouldn’t buy 200 pheons. You should buy 1000 instead! Support AGS! Support Smilegate! Show them that we love them and want them to earn more money. They are doing amazing job with such great systems <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
I have no idea what you are talking about.
All I see from your incoherent rambling is that you have no idea about IT infrastructure and what it costs.
Then you go on to project you value of things.
And you finish with some anecdotes of stuff you heard somewhere.
The reason why I called you clueless is because you used basic supply and demand to describe market dynamics. Only a fool would make such a naive statement