6000 Gold of pheon for a 600 gold accessory

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Not for me. I donā€™t have time to capitalize on every possible gold outlet available to me. So I get about half. That gold goes into honing, trying to buy books, stronghold development and consumable crafting, since Iā€™m an active participating member of the groups I am in and religiously use battle items. Spending half my available gold on pheons, to gear alts with gear found on a different character of mine, no thanks.

Yeah, whales fund f2p but casuals keep the lights on for hardcore players and for casuals, this pheons shit is a real problem.

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You know what the real kick in the crotch is with this system? I am already a self proclaimed casual. I donā€™t have the time to spend each week on this game like some people have, and that is okay with me. It has been okay with me for the last 15 years that I have casually played MMOs.

But this game, this system, it punishes me for it. I have been here since launch and my main is only 1450. I know everyone else is at 1475 - 1515 and I am okay with that. They have more time to play, so of course they are going to get there faster. I know with my available time, I will get there eventually. But in this damn game, with this crap system, the longer it takes me to get there, the more $$$ it costs me :frowning:

As hardcores are able to push the current content and spring into the upcoming content faster, the amount of gold they give out for said content, increases. Which means the value of gold decreases. Which means the conversion rate gets worse. Which means I have to spend more $$$ to get the same thing. The first couple of months of launch, BC prices where around 400 - 500 per 95, they are now 3 times that amount. The price for pheons in the store didnā€™t change, so it requires more of my limited gold, to accomplish the same thing and I am not talking about buying power for an alt here, Iā€™m talking about giving an alt something I already found / earned.

Thats BS. It makes me feel like the IRL money I spent each month on CA and BC to get things like skins, card slots and bag space, just donā€™t mean shit to this company. It really doesnā€™t. Because even though I am a consistent paying customer, I am still hindered in normal game progressions, like giving alts my gear, because the company wants me to spend a tax to do so.

Really?

So if I am reading between the lines correctly, everything I have already did and continue to do is not good enough and the company sees fit to hinder my experience until I have satisfied their greed. Got it.

Im a huge Star Wars fan and I walked away from SWTOR when their pay model switched and they started taking advantage of loyal customers. I have no problem doing it again.

All these game companies should take a look at Riots pay model, because that is a shinning example of how to do things right. That model is a damn monolith! And say what you will about the games toxic community and shortcomings, but I have been playing that game for like the last 10 years, have spend hundreds in it and not once, NOT ONCE have I ever regretted a single purchase. Iā€™m not saying itā€™s a better game, but its pay model is, hands down. Iā€™ve never once felt like Riot was screwing me out of my money, I canā€™t say the same about AGS and smilegate atm.

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i mean if someone decides to not buy the exact amount of pheons and instead buys double or more of what they needā€¦isnt that kind of on them? xD

ive always bought the exact amount of pheons, and i always take into account the free ones.

when i bought my 5x3 accessories on main i only had to buy the 100 pheon pack, and now after all the free pheons that i have gotten since i now have over 100 just sitting on my account lol

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if you donā€™t buy the 100pheon pack you are burning even more gold
all packs do not cost the same

this is intended for you to overspend
as i said everyone is buying the 100 pheons
everyone is overspending on crystals
everyone is overspending on pheons

gold that is effectively evaporated
this is why the system sucks
if they put pheons at a merchant 1 per 100 gold LITERALLY nobody would give a shit about pheons

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so lets say you need 125 pheons and you have 0.

do you

buy two 100 packs for 850bc each (1700bc total) or do you buy a single 100 pack and a single 30 pack for a total of 1120bc?

if you answered two 100 packs you would be wrong.

you never buy more then you need at that moment. there is no ā€œdealā€ you do not need that many damn pheons that you need to stockpile hundreds of them.

and if you do need that many pheons you fucked up big time.

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i buy 200 because stones are not free
and if i donā€™t get the stone i will buy 100 again
and again
and then use the leftover for an alt eventually maybe a month in the future

even if i utilize those extra bought pheons iā€™m still overspending right now

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again if you need that mean pheons you are fucking up.

the stone should be cut largely with the free pheons you get, which btw is more then enough to supplement getting a 7-7.

but we arnt talking bout cutting stone + getting accessories. we are talking bout getting the accessories, and that only requires 125 pheons.

while the stone is apart of your build is it not apart of the accessories.

you cant be overspending because the price is set. to over spend there would have to be a set value for the item and then the pheons would have to add on top of it. but what actually happens

is the item is worth the total cost of the pheons + the gold u buy it for directly.

so lets say you buy a stone that is posted for 30g in our current system, that stone has an actual value of 1000-1500gold. without the pheons people would be more willing to buy the stones for a much higher price so they wouldnt get posted for something as low as 30g and would more then likely be posted for atleast 1000g. meaning you would spend the same as you do now.

that low number is to compensate for the lack of rarity and the pheon cost.

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Yea, Iā€™m kinda hesitate to use pheon on my alt because it cost so much. This game is anti-multi char to the fullest.

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No it wouldnā€™t.

If I list an item for 500 gold, it is at zero risk and absolutely zero extra cost for meā€¦ Whether there are pheons attached or not, I will receive 500 gold when it is sold.

Pheons have zero attachment to the seller and any earnings they receive.

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Youā€™re god damn right, you shouldnā€™t buy 200 pheons. You should buy 1000 instead! Support AGS! Support Smilegate! Show them that we love them and want them to earn more money. They are doing amazing job with such great systems <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

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I have no idea what you are talking about.

All I see from your incoherent rambling is that you have no idea about IT infrastructure and what it costs.

Then you go on to project you value of things.

And you finish with some anecdotes of stuff you heard somewhere.

The reason why I called you clueless is because you used basic supply and demand to describe market dynamics. Only a fool would make such a naive statement

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I still fine for accessory but for ability stone its very painful. I lost 40k gold to made 1 legendary ability stone for my alt. :sweat:

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yes well sorry for my english, its not my native language and i cant afford to work on it as ā€œpoor personā€
Although i have full idea about it infrastructure and its costs as well as how much money games make on realese by for instance selling founders packs :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

and its strange cause?
you are wealthy guy when you have two business offers you compare the gains to costs or you take first one
here its just gaming, an leisure, but ppls tend to throw a loot of time and money in it, whats the point involving yourself with game that dosent respect both on long run?
its not like you can really take out something beside pleasure out of your ā€œinvestmentā€ in the end

anecdotes are from my work experience, i wlill not prove them to anyone so lets say they are anecdotes i ā€œheard somwhereā€ :stuck_out_tongue:

problem is that its not normal market, they have full control over it.

It prolly works nice in KR where there are no bots and playerbase is stable (etleast koreans accepted it and learned to live with it, not sure if they are happy with it tho, just heard its better than the old system which dosent mean its all that good in the end)

How it works in here we can all see, they just chose to gain max profit out of it while not risking generating problems with their established market in KR :wink:

in all my naivety i would like you as a wealthy person with professional knowledge on economy and markets, that obviously come with it, to discribe one similar system where ā€œtaxā€ on low value items can hit thousands of % and where you are taxed at same rates while transfering goods between your ā€œfamily membersā€ or ā€œsimbling companiesā€ (alts)
While at the same time ā€œtaxā€ (pheons bought with BC) is payed in money to ā€œgovernmentā€ (AGS/SG) by different ā€œcompanyā€ (whales) and you repay in goods you are producing (gold) for that ā€œserviceā€ā€¦

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you will find couple of those on any topic and i mean it any topic you will find some of ags lovers comes to the rescue
same as what new world had with anyone who said the beta real issues and they defended it .

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Well one thing would be quality=pheon cost.
relic gear: Ql 100=50 pheons! Ql 0-10 1 pheons.
epic gear: ql100=5 phoens ql 0-10 1 pheons.

Stones and tripod gear is to expensive (nerf it 5 pheons).

Crystalized aura= 1 pheons a day.

Current sytem is so shit that unless it top notch equipement it aint worth buying.

Currenlty experimenting with an alt how long it will take to get 3x3 and 4x3 without buying anything, proberly get done when server shutdown :rofl:

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I bought the last piece of accessory for one of my alts today.
The earring, 100 quality, was 50g (not even kidding). The pheons right now are 5k for 25 pheons

I almost laughed while wiping my tears.

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thats why accessories prices doesnt change alot nvm how much pheons is, delusional

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except quad stat accessories with 50 quality go for 500 gold today while they would have been around 50-60k 2 months ago
because prices donā€™t change

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demandā€¦supplyā€¦i mean if we follow ur logic they should be around 45-55k rn? if thats just about pheons xD

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pheons are a preventative currency to trading yes
people only look to buy once or twice on their characters

if pheons didnā€™t exist people would be buying a lot more often to try stuff out