Here’s the issue. I dislike abyss dungeons because they often require all players without exception to understand a wipe mechanic in order to beat them. This is a problem in the sense that oftentimes people tag in without knowing the mechanics, and quite often without answering when asked if they do. Yesterday, i tagged for the “Hilderbrandt Palace” with 3 different groups, one of them i found with party finder (and thus supposedly knew about the wipe mechanics). For each of these 3 groups, the scenario have been the same: reach 3rd boss, wipe a few times on 3rd boss because of failing the beam mechanic, run straight back in after each wipe, although we clearly needed to talk to figure out who wasn’t doing the mechanic properly and why. After a few wipes (to be expected because noone took the time to stop and see what we weren’t doing correctly with the mechanic) they voted to disband and i couldn’t prevent that, despites my attempt to explain to them the mechanic after each wipe.
This happened 3 times in a row and made me feel like i wasted a lot of my time, and as i said, one of those groups was found through party finder.
If i may suggest possible evolutions of the game in regards to this issue:
-Reworking the wipe mechanics so that they allow a player to tag alone and beat abyssal dungeons alone. I understand this is a MMO but playing with other players should happen by choice rather than forced.
-Reworking the wipe mechanics so that they only induce the death of characters that didn’t do them properly (thus reducing dependency on teammates)
-Adding a prerequisite for abyssal dungeons with wipe mechs, such as beating a tutorial version of the dungeon, alone, where the player would have to perform the mech (for example putting the player with 3 NPCs for Brelshaza beam mech and having him perform the beam mechanic correctly)
-Adding a warning before tagging for an abyssal dungeon with a wipe mech, telling the player that this dungeon includes a wipe mech that he needs to understand lest his whole group might not be able to pass the dungeon.
Since im not sure how many mmos you played so far but let me get some things right:
an MMO is always an mmo lost ark got some features you can do alone but it stays an MMO like 100 other mmos out there but not everyone of them got stuff you can do alone
the game is meant to challenge your skills not to push you through everything easily
yes people are bad but thats only cause the game is not out a full month it changes over the time when more people get experinced
ive gone through the content and got many fails in teams etc but in the end its the team that does the shit not only 1 person
if you get a problem with playing with people in an mmo you should consider changing the game for something better fitting.
theres several things where you can learn about wipe mechanics like the videos you can watch on guarding window top right or abyss (tutorial video)
you can do guardian alone and if you dont want to play with other persons try to find a premade group or a guild to run with. if this is not your style stick with guardian raids and skip abyss its not something you “need” to progress at all.
Have fun and a great day you will encounter many people in here so theres always the possiblilty of failing over and over again
You’re not forced to do abyssal dungeons. Especially in T1.
Raids in Lost Ark are meant to create a sense of teamwork. If you fail as a team you fail. Simple as that. You want to beat Abyssal Dungeons so bad, find an actual team, use discord, be patient or just keep trying. Trust me, 3 tries is nothing.
This would completely destroy the fun of playing in a raid. You’re supposed to learn while in combat. Now you want a tutorial for every single boss? lmao Is this a mobile game now?
Abyssal Dungeons all have wipe mechanics since the first one. If the first one does, why wouldn’t the rest be as difficult or more?
I don’t get it. If you want to play mobile games, go play mobile games.
All these suggestions indicate you barely played any mmos, team games or even pc games to be honest. I’m not trying to be rude or dismiss your opinion or anything, but maybe the game just isn’t for you and that is totally fine
I see your point, but if some content is necessarily made by several people cooperating, it should be designed to improve player’s experience. Gear-gating everything to prevent leeching is good already. They should maybe redesign abyss dungeons so that we don’t end up teaching people the dungeon in every public group/waiting 10 mins to find a group in party finder (which is in my experience much longer than 10 mins if you got the bare minimum gear score for that dungeon)
I never asked for everything to be easy. But being a teacher at every abyssal dungeon, hoping people know the mechanics/will be receptive to explanations if they don’t/wont disband out of frustration after spending 20mins to reach final boss isn’t part of the difficulty i expect when playing a game.
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Depends. I’ve had groups where everyone would perform the wipe mechanic correctly except one dude that wouldn’t, and would spam disband instead of trying to understand. Also, i’ve never been able to kick people out of a group (the warn feature is bugged) and even if i could, i don’t think it’s possible to recruit a 4th player on the fly for mechanics that require 4 people. In other words, if someone is unwilling to perform a wipe mechanic correctly, only solution is to disband.
Thanks i’d rather play this game than another at the moment though. I’m fine playing with people i meet and bond with, when i feel like it. What i don’t like is being forced to play with strangers in order to complete some content. I play another mmo where you can play multiple accounts at the same time and thus be dependent on other players for virtually none of the content. I still chat with people, am part of a guild, made several friends on my server, do business with people and sometimes cooperate with them for some dungeons, not out of necessity but when i enjoy their company for example. My experience is much better because there’s zero need to cope with players i don’t like.
Not sure what you mean. Yeah i do read tutorials about mechanics in general, but some of them requires all 4 players to do their job correctly.
Abyss is very important for class engravings on accessories. I’m not gonna skip it in spite of its issues.
I’m not trying to be rude or dismiss your opinion or anything
Yes you are, first of all. Let’s not be dishonest here
Not sure why a tutorial would ruin the fun as you say. Assuming we are dependent on other players when doing a raid, i’d rather have them understand the mechanics. Not sure what’s the link with “mobile games”.
Raids in Lost Ark are meant to create a sense of teamwork. If you fail as a team you fail. Simple as that. You want to beat Abyssal Dungeons so bad, find an actual team, use discord, be patient or just keep trying. Trust me, 3 tries is nothing.
I mean if wasting one’s time is fine for you it’s your problem not mine. People spending 20 mins to reach a boss, wiping 10 times without any interest in learning the mechs inbetween wipes then spamming disband, are below my standard. I’m suggesting to Amazon/Smilegate to rework abyssal dungeons so that i’m not forced to play with such people, which are way too common in my recent experience.
If what you’re saying is that you are used to wasting your time in such a way from your apparently extensive experience of mmos, then you do you.
There are tutorials… On damn yt made by other players. BTW there is a CHAIN quest on either islands: foggy ridge, frost haven, and 3 others (just look up maxroll) that tells you EVERY weakpoints of all raid bosses and gives you a quest that requires you to kill that boss (every raid boss up to t3)
Not really a great idea, cause people will end up just carry the group with people who will never really learn the mechanic. Every other MMO with raids are meant for teamwork based. Imagine WoW with 20 man raids where one of the group in that raid does one thing wrong can screw the whole raid up.
problem with this is that do the people who don’t read guides or tutorial online care about this? I think the only way for these people is to let them experience death over and over again until they figure out themselves. Problem is that no one is bothering to learn. All they want to do is rush rush to endgame content.
No. You’re asking a change in design (or several) because you’re tired things don’t go your way. I’m the one fine with it. It’s not me with a problem, it’s you. What you said to me “You do you” that’s what I said to you. I simply was blunt and straight with you. You don’t like the game, don’t play it. Simple
It’s funny though. Last night there was a ridiculous post about the game being “too single-player”. The guy stating you could do everything alone and that this wasn’t a mmo.
Then this asking to redesign all the matchmaking features because you’re too dependent on other players when doing multiplayer content… Might as well say “I’d rather play solo” lol
If people don’t like the game they shouldn’t play it. Or go write a bad review or something… but come to the forums and ask for things to be redesigned…? xD
There are tutorials… On damn yt made by other players. BTW there is a CHAIN quest on either islands: foggy ridge, frost haven, and 3 others (just look up maxroll) that tells you EVERY weakpoints of all raid bosses
These tutorials are optional. Lots of players don’t go check them out on YT. What i mean by tutorial, is something that leads the player to be able to pass the wipe mechanic so that he isn’t completely clueless once in dungeon. Something ingame that you have to complete in order to be able to tag for abyssal dungeons.
True, some abyssal dungeons bosses exist as bosses in quest chains. But their mechanics don’t oneshot, and you can just go through these quests without understanding these mechanics at all.
YT tutorials teach the relevant thing but they are optional. Current ingame tutorials are not optional but they don’t teach you the mechanic, they just throw it at you and you can just win the fight without understanding it at all.
True, might not be the best solution, but the current system isn’t good either. If some people don’t know the mechanic and aren’t willing to learn i’d rather be able to beat the fight alone rather than disband or tag for 2hours until finding a functional team.
This is true. What i’m talking about is a ingame tutorial that the player is forced to complete and that have him perform the wipe mechanic with NPCs, without what he won’t be able to tag for an abyssal dungeon involving that mechanic.
If someone with gear score 200 isn’t allowed in a dungeon that requires GS 340 to be relevant, nor should someone that doesn’t know how the wipe mechanic works and isn’t willing to listen. Because in theory, you can pass a dungeon with someone that has a way too low gear score, but you can’t pass it with someone that doesn’t know a wipe mechanic and doesn’t give a damn about listening.
Ahhh I have no nerves to argue… all I will say is: don’t apply dungeons/raids before searching for the boss mechanics… there are plenty sites with guides… If you don’t want to spend 3h in single abyss that can be done in 30mins don’t use matchmaking… Try find or make your own party. I really like boss mechanics, each boss is unique and requires brain… And I think it’s beatifull. I used to play other mmos and I was bored of facerolling keyboard buttons. The real problem is that some people refuse to learn and are lazy and expect to get carried each time. The amount of players that don’t even know what stagger check is, is too damm high
Ahhh I have no nerves to argue… all I will say is: don’t apply dungeons/raids before searching for the boss mechanics… there are plenty sites with guides… If you don’t want to spend 3h in single abyss that can be done in 30mins don’t use matchmaking… Try find or make your own party. I really like boss mechanics, each boss is unique and requires brain… And I think it’s beatifull. I used to play other mmos and I was bored of facerolling keyboard buttons. The real problem is that some people refuse to learn and are lazy and expect to get carried each time. The amount of players that don’t even know what stagger check is, is too damm high
This answer is off-topic. Not only have you got no nerves to argue, you have had no nerves to read the post in the first place.
But realistically, what harm can be done to you if you mess up in abyss? It’s some arbitrary stuff in a video game, you give it and other possibly toxic randos too much power over yourself.
