AGS: I believe the moderation team never surrender

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It seems most of the servers are cracked because of the bots and many players are still cheating for infinite chaos dungeon. There are several ways can definitely solve the issues:

  1. Remove the Una’ Token for T1 and T2 to prevent these bots from exchanging gold. In addition, remove all the gold cost for gearing under T1 and T2. Then, there will be no reason to cost gold before T3 for new players.

Let me explain how the bots work, they level up a berserker to lv 50 and use the 2 Power Passes to create two bards(easy for chaos dungeon). Then there will be 3 characters for them to gather all the Una’ Token by completing weekly chaos dungeon task.

  1. Remove all the gear material drops from Chaos dungeon after the daily 2 times. Since the Chaos vender exchange is bound, still many players are using infinite Chaos cheating to enhance their main characters. As I know, by keep doing 1370 chaos, they can earn about 40-50 Great Leap Stone and more than 4000 Destruction/Guardian Stones for each 24 hrs from general drops.

  2. Activate the RMT detector for any real money transaction. I know the Russian servers already have this to remove all the unrealized gold from last 3 months.

I know these methods are impossible for AGS to implement, But I still insist them which can truely make the game better.

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Plz have a look @Roxx

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Bots are the attacker, banning them is not a good solution for defender. To cut their source is the most important part for Ags to consider.

Change the Chaos dungeon drops to bound is a good Solution to cut one source. Another source is the Una’ Token. I know this is difficult to make decisions, but there isn’t a perfect solution, so just make the choice asap before things getting worse.

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Getting rid of the RMT customers is the real solution. It’s the basic concept of supply and demand.

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I have reported many in-game players.

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The funny about that is, we would not need to report that many players if we could get rid of these bad apples that are driving this bot economy.

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I will come here again tmr.

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Basically you want people cannot drop anything anymore, so they stop playing, you should develop your own game and play it instead I think.
What about removing the gold exchange (mail ?) and monitoring the AH once in a while ?

The more I read the ideas from this forum the more I think you guys don’t want to play this game. I mean, if you don’t farm in this game, you should play another one, have you ever heard of the korean farm ? Aion ? Tera ? No offense but removing the bound mats from the infinite chaos dungeon after the daily aura is gone = 100% timegated game and it sucks for a looooot of players, not for you of course because you don’t use this feature to get free mats it seems. Chaos x2 + Guardians x2 on main + on alts and you close the game, right ?

You guys want to destroy the whole game because you think it’s fine for you to remove what you never use, what about permaban any caught player for illlegal RMT or bot use ? It’s even easier than changing the code, don’t you think ? Also you don’t have to hurt the legit players even more, that’s my opinion, do it whatever you want.

EDIT : Look, if you are waiting for a chaos gate or an island to pop, maybe you check tweeter or anything, I prefer going into the chaos dungeon, I get free mats, a greater leapstone happen to drop sometimes on the 2nd gate boss, I get shards, it’s a game feature, you might think it sucks to “wait” for something to spawn, you can still be playing, you just don’t, that’s YOUR problem.

Now, I just think you are jealous because bots are getting things you never tried to get while playing legit, maybe because you saw some twitch/youtube “RU/KR veteran” saying “it doesn’t worth it”. Of course it doesn’t worth it if you spend hours leveling X number of alt characters, all days long, being paid by viewers/subs so they can pay the mats instead of playing the game xD

Why don’t you try the chaos dungeon once in a while, waiting for X island or X chaos gate to spawn ? Didn’t you try to think about it ? Unlimited free mats ! You don’t like it ? That’s why you want it nerfed ? Because bot users get the mats free and you don’t ? If cars kill people, should we remove cars from the market ? (Ok I wanted to push until the car analogy cause I’m pissed, sorry)

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Actually, many of the sprite script for Chaos Dungeon does not use the memory, so AGS couldn’t make any progress on detecting them and have to change the exchange to bound.

Your point is some player is willing to entering the Chaos dungeon again and again while wait for the Chaos gate or field boss. However, you don’t have to do this more than 10 times a day. AGS can simply limit the time for daily entry or reduce the drops for more than 10 times.

The infinite Chaos dungeon cheating can easily break the game balance. Now many f2p players have reached ilv 1480+ by using this and let AGS think the game is ready for next high level content. Then, many other players cannot reach the current content and leave. Hence, there has to be a restriction for Chaos dungeon to prevent this.

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When I open my friend list, they never offline.
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Im back

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Unfortunately, I cannot agree with both of the things you mention despite how against I am on bots/RMT.

Removing una tokens for t1/t2 would set a precedent for them to consider doing such a thing at t3. Going back one step, una tokens is fundamentally one of the core ways a normal player can make gold.

The infinite dungeon vendor patch is definitely a good thing, but there has to be a compromise somewhere that allows actual legitimate players still be able to do it or allow for such a path in the event some player actually wants to do infinite dungeon once they are out of horizontal content/don’t want to do horizontal content.

A better alternative would be to focus on one thing at time which would be the bots from the bot farm businesses. Basically AGS/SG just has to lock down all the servers/regions. Then issue out more frequent ban waves and finally redevelop/convert their registration process into how alpha/close beta games select new players to play their game.

Cheaters will always be a cheater and supposedly it’s very hard to catch them if they can easily solo run and access the chaos vendor from anywhere. However, AGS/SG definitely has the ability to finally solve the bot issue which will eventually resolve the RMT issue, but they’re just being really inefficient about it.

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You are right, cheaters are always cheaters. The reason that Korean/Japan server never have bots or Rmt is players need to have local phone number to login. Thats why SmileGate doesn’t have much experience against the bots. Ags is only the publisher, I believe they don’t even familiar with the code and somehow it is unrealistic for them to track the scripts.

Ags has a very good work life balance and we never in queue at working time and always in queue in the evening(only NA) and the weekend. Thus, I think based on their current efficiency, more and more player will leave and the market would already been cracked before they solve the bot issue.

The best way to reduce bots is to keep reduce their profit. Bots have cost, they need to pay monthly/weekly for the script, renting machine and VPN. To create a t1 character won’t cost a lot compare to what they earn, yet to create a t3 character they need to take the risk. A t3 account costs more to them and has higher possibility to get banned. Also the rapport gold is one-off. Many of the bots will leave if there is no profit or very low profit to them.

About the infinite Chaos dungeon, many players reach very high ilv and spend no time/money because of this. This is unfair to those players who spend time or money on it. There are definitely many ways to solve this, limit the times for daily entry or reduce the drop after an amount of times are both good solutions for this.

I hope everything is going well in Lost Ark and also thank you for your reply.

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I agree with you that SmileGate may not have that much experience when dealing with the huge amount of bots that currently exist in NA/EU Lost Ark Version which is a estimate of around 600,000 bots now realistically speaking. I also realize and agree that AGS is a publisher and by nature the publisher is only to market/redistribute the game in another region and has no authority to make in-game changes.

However, I think the best way right now to reduce the bot profit is to lockdown the entire game so that no new accounts can be made for a while for AGS/SG to clean everything up again. If the supply of bots is coming from the the ability to make never ending amount of bots, then isn’t the solution simply to lockdown the entire game and then start banning every single bot that exists? This way bots can no longer replenish their supply/rely on new bots for more profit. The game eventually will have to reopen again to recruit new players, but they could just change the whole registration process and convert it to a alpha/close beta approach to let players in. They even admit themselves how easy it is for bots to be made in a f2p game model so why don’t they just address that? The game would still supposedly remain f2p and the only thing that change is how tedious it may become to register to play Lost Ark in this scenario.

I recognize the infinite chaos dungeon patch is unfair to the legitimate players who did it the correct way without relying on any 3rd party bots/sources. Unfortunately, it was a relatively accessible income for bots to rely on heavily. This is clearly evident from the sudden rapidly influx of new bots this week after the vendor patch was implemented and now the sudden rise of bc from 700-900 as an example. On the bright side, AGS/SG did mention that they will consider reverting it to a certain extent once the bot issue is under control whenever that will be.

I too hope Lost Ark will continue to last for a while and hope AGS/SG can finally come to the agreement that they should just take an extremely aggressive approach of just locking down all servers/regions from any new accounts being made. Existing players will still be able to play the game perfectly fine, but for any new players if there are any significant amount of them in the first place, just won’t be able to for a while.

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I agree with your idea, but I don’t know if AGS has the policy to not restrict players from entry.

We are only the adviser and it all depends on Ags. Hope they can see players’ feedback and make consideration on analyzing the feasibility.

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Let’s lay down some facts here.

After maintenance, we can tell that the real player count hovers around 150k to 180k. China dumb bots make up the rest of the numbers which is now at 800k.

You think AGS will rather ban real players botting infinite chaos dungeon and further reducing the number of actual players who could be potential cash spenders instead of banning the China bots which numbers upward of 600k?

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Not banning those infinite chaos dungeon players, only limit the times they can enter.

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they are not going to do anything lol.

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I’m fine we got different opinions but why don’t you report those players you’ve got in your friendlist in the first place ? Why did you hide their names ? Go report them, show their names and make them banned, if they are not banned, make them quit the game, come on !

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perhaps they r playing their alts at the moment