Dude, I’m not going to argue with you about the fact that they highly promote alts for main character progression. You know it, I know it, EVERYONE knows it. You’re just trying to be a difficult ass about it, and I won’t argue that point anymore.
I stand by my point that doing the same mechanics for 15 minute straight with pugs that continuously screw it up and cause you to fail the DPS check over and over is not enjoyable “farming” content. This conversation will go nowhere, because you’re trenched in to your mindset. But just because a few tryhard neckbeards called it easy doesn’t mean it’s easy for everyone. The vast majority of people I pug with die repeatedly on these, or fail the DPS check.
As for this, all I’ll say is you are literally in a thread of people saying they aren’t enjoying the fights because they take too long, what do you expect? “Hey people saying you hate this stuff, just stop hating this stuff and enjoy it, and everything will be okay”. I don’t even think you know what point you’re arguing anymore, you’re just arguing randomly to argue.
It’s a nonsense argument to make. If you don’t have school or work and can spend 20 hours a day on the game you’ll progress faster. Someone with limited time is going to progress slower and that’s just a consequence of having commitments outside of a pixel world. You can apply this common sense to just about any MMO out there.
It’s further hilarious considering the game has a catch-up mechanic (real money) to accelerate your progression if you so choose.
At the end of the day, you’re all asking for an easier version of the game than KR, RU and JP have. I hope people will truly consider whether they’re the source of their own frustration or whether it’s the game’s fault.
As a new player I finally undestand why I dislike Guardian raids, they always felt out of place. They were supose to be a quick daily chrore, but they are so troublesome that i end up skipping on my alts and sometimes on my main.
I really hope this 50% hp gets reverted soon.
Of course. You’re right. I just wanted to point out that having to play multiple alts is not a good argument in a game where you can simply just play only one character. As a sole argument maybe, but not in addition to “i have not enough time”.
Ok, for that point I thought a little bit out of the box. More playerbase focussed, sorry. You’re right, for the people in this thread, who argue about that, the my advise would be: “Do guardians only 3 times a week for weekly-quest (with the rest bonus) and every time the highest special mission when available”. Because the game does give you these opportunities. Time management is done by the player.
I wouldn’t even be against a nerf, seriously. If you can bring really good arguments, why that has to be 2 weeks after release.
But first of all seeing people calling for a nerf, justifying their point with a 50% HP-buff nobody can refer to, for the only reason to not call it a nerf. No good argument.
2nd one is that they don’t have the time to do all the dailies (which would include the guardians of course) with 3-6 chars, not wanting to take advantage of the alternative systems the game gives you for that, so it must be a problem of the game. No it’s not. Again not a good argument.
And the third point is, that they’re basically impossible with PUGs. Ok, you can argue with that, but i don’t know man, that would also be true if the fight would be a bit shorter/easier, that is a lesson learned from basically all other MMO’s.
It’s just not fun trying to do dailies on alts when guardian raids take this long. It’s doesn’t make it harder just more time consuming.
If you have one character, limit yourself by not using alts and don’t do anything else in game then yeah sure it’s fine.
But mokoko forbid that you have a main, several alts and want to do anything else at all.
The slight change messed with the ecosystem of alts, dailies and grinding. The only people who are happy are the ones with one character that are happy to take longer to progress, or to spend several hours on dailies before starting to play the other content
What are you people talking about?
It literally takes me 6 to tops 7 minutes to Kill a guardian with 4 ppl match!
You want less than 7 min? really? Why not insta kill… why not push a button and clear dungeons and abyss as well?
Oh wait. you can do that already in Stronghold nvm… We need more than 1 button to clear the game so we can insta t3 and do nothing!..
While I don’t have a problem with them increasing the difficulty/HP of the raids… 50% is way, waaaay too f***ing much. 10% or even 20% would’ve been fine.
And for me, it’s not even about how long they take… but rather the fact that it basically made Matchmaking useless for the harder raids-- as 9/10 groups fail due to not having enough DPS to overcome the extra HP pool before wasting all their pots and resources and dying. For example, Tytalos is basically impossible in matchmaking if you’re at 580-600 item level unless you get REALLY lucky and find a fantastic group with optimal stats and builds.
I queued 8 times in a row for Tytalos, and every single group failed due to running out of resources. Mind you I’m not some noob. I played Diablo 2 for 10 years, clearing the entire game on the highest difficulty several times and I’ve also been raiding in MMORPGs since Everquest back in 1999. I’ve run several statics. I know what I’m doing. So if I’m struggling I promise you others are too. The only reason I was even able to clear it with a Matchmade group is I was f***ing pissed and did 52% of the damage.
The people who say they aren’t either have a nice group of people they can run it together with, or haven’t made it to Tytalos and beyond. If you need further proof or indication, pull up the Find Party window and look at how many people with 1300+ item level are charging gold for Tytalos clears or propositioning players to follow them on Twitch for carries.
I really dont understand, im doing 600 ilvl raids in 7 min tops… with randoms…
I do admit failing once, but thats really on our fault as we did not respect the dmg from the guardian. if you start doing that and take advantage of counter skills its a walk in the park. Counters play a huge role in killing it fast.
Seems to be a lot of god gamers being held back by those dastardly PUGs. At the risk of sounding condescending, here’s a little tip:
You don’t need to run all your alt character GRs on a daily basis. Let your rest bonus build up, put together a dedicated four stack, and run them all at once. Make this a weekly tradition. It will take you far less time and you can do it on a weekend when it’s more favourable to your CEO work schedule.
Also, stop spreading misinformation regarding the boss health. It was reduced in the network test and was totally at odds with what the values are in all other regions of the game. The health values we have now are consistent with every other region.
I want a video of you clearing only tytalos with pugs with expected ilvl. You’re either lying or playing with your guild and they’re called randoms.
People are “comone 10mn iz not much” when you can spend litteral hours on not killing a boss because pugs can’t deal with the mechanics.
I can barely do it on level and I have years of practice in those games.
After 10 tries on Tytalos being the last one standing, full of hp pots, not using a revive I couldn’t kill it. I end up farming the scorpion thingy but even overgeared can’t carry so I often fail that too.
Stop giving your personnal best as a standard, and start including wipes in your calculation. GUARDIANS DO NOT TAKE 10 MINUTES (unless ur farming the first one on a 302 alt).
I never tried pugging Tytalos, but I can imagine it being pug hell. I soloed him once I learned about his wipe/invuln mechanic. But definitely took more than 10 minutes.
This negatives must comes from people who have one main? Becouse without alts in T2 and T3 you will be so screwed in material gain. This game is built around alts so you need them, majority of players got it and knows that 10 or 15 minutes fights are too much to play 10x per day. In T3 without catch up islands you will cry in corner.
I have a full first page of alts. I rotate them based on rested bonus, and go for the highest guardian that felt most comfortable / farmable rather than the absolutely highest one. Which makes a lot of sense to me. Doing 2x per alt per day is only for people who already treat the game as a full-time job.
The Guardians are fine as they are, and no they are not supposed to be easy… Of course if u outgear the raid its easy… But do the guardian raid with the recommended ILVL it feels actually harder then some abys raids. Goodluck doing Guardian Raids in a matchmaking group if nobody outgears… Its like 4/5 groups restart/wipe/quit.
The real problemis the outgear potential. Somepeople might say the Bear Boss is to hard cause they take 10minutes for him. Meanwhile if u outgear him it takes 1 minute!!! Yes 1 minute! the loading time + walking to boss take longer then the actualy fight… Is that fun? NO!
The Guardian Raids are not farmable content like Chaos dungeon where you get multiplystuff even after the daily 2 limit… The Guardian Raid should last arround 10 minutes each, even if you outgear them so u have 20minute daily content in Guardian raid…
“Lost Ark Guardian Raids HP: EU Server 24th February 2022”
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Ur’Nil Solo 692073 53.5% left → 1.488 million 100%hp
Ur’Nil 2 man 688969 72.6% left → 2.515 million 169%hp
Ur’Nil 3 man 689515 79.8% left → 3.413 million 229%hp
Ur’Nil 4 man 685358 83.9% left → 4.257 million 286%hp
Lumerus 699350 72.8% left → 2.571 million
Icy Legoros 685754 84.3% left → 4.368 million
Vertus 736311 88.9% left → 6.633 million
Chromanium 585665 94.9% left → 11.484 million
Nacrasena 687622 93.3% → 10.263 million
Flame Fox Yoho 675986 96.6% left → 19.882 million
Tytalos 1142959 92.1% left → 14.468 million
