Right. That was my understanding of why many games are moving in the direction of having everything handled on the server side, especially with advancement of internet speed.
I’m sure there will be ways to bypass it, as these pricks always find a way, but it just feels like there are so many things that could be done to at least make it more difficult and costly than the current measures they have in place (or lack thereof)
Here is the post from a New World Dev:
[Dev Blog] How Server/Client Authority is handled in New World - Developer Corner - New World Forums
The architecture of LA is very different I suspect, but the very basics of how an MMO works are comparable.
But this is also a thing why e.g. (the old) Diablo 2 had such a huge problem with cheaters and Blizzard moved to more and more “online only” gameplay, to be able to verify more on the serverside.
But of course you still had cheaters as you havd gold sellers in every MMO 
Some measure of movement is classically left to being client authoritative because there are other bounding mechanisms to protect you - such as the inherent coding of the movement system - and also not to mention because “rubberbanding” - the phenomenon that occurs when MMOs are too aggressively server authoritative around movement - is exceedingly annoying. There’s a balance to be struck, but LA is clearly too ‘loose’ around how much it trusts the client regarding player positioning and EAC is definitely not doing its job.
@AtmaTheWanderer @romconstruct Very informative. Thank you.
I can’t imagine the devs are not aware of flaws in their system. I believe KR runs kernel level anti-cheat, not cookie cutter EAC? I’m just confused why AGS went with EAC knowing that it is notorious for not doing its job.
I, personally, would not install an application that hooks anticheat that deeply into things. Not a chance in creation.
I would have hard passed on the game. Too many extremely bad things have arisen from companies trying to go to that level.
Actually Valorant does a pretty good job on that part… I may be wrong, but has anything bad happened with that?
That was exactly what the ruckus was about Valorant’s anti-cheat and AFAIK, I haven’t come across any bad news outside of the initial scare.
Not that your concern is not a valid one, as it totally is, but if I had to choose between current situation with bots and kernel level anticheat, I’d personally take the latter.
Yeah also stayed away of Valorant cause of that, but i kept an eye on it and didn’t hear any negatives about it so far. More so… you actually hear that its doing its job pretty fine i guess.
This is a personal thing, and it boils down to your level of trust in what they are asking to do. With kernel-level anticheat you willing to embrace a life being exactly 1 exploit away from control of your system above and beyond a level most people can really appreciate.
I’m just personally not willing to trust companies that much.
Same…
These tools have way to much power and might even open backdoors and therefor might even be a security risk.
Yes just connecting your PC to the internet is a risk, using program XYZ might be a risk. But for most of the programs you still have the control over and on kernel level it gets much worse.
You can find many debates about this, most just arguing about these anti-cheat tools causing performance issues (because this is the only thing that matters, right?). But I’d be much more worried about possible security implications or driver issues and not just the possible loss of some FPS.
Just one article on the topic can be found here and of course there is many more:
Why You Should Be Wary of Kernel-Level Anti-Cheat - KeenGamer
Before suggesting something like this, please read more into it. And you should always weigh in one against the other:
I’d rather play with bots and simply ignore them, than accept one of these measures. And if the bots totally ruin the game for me, I stop playing the game, because for me personally it wouldn’t be worth it.
In the end you could just say, it comes down to a trust based system. Trust Amazon/Smilegate enough and (desperately) want to play the game: yeah go for it.
Having doubts? maybe there is another game out there for you.
Agreed, but it still would be fine to find any solution to this… I really don’t want this game to die because of those stupid bots. 
Any anti-cheat on the Client side is doomed. Every cheat has to communicate with the server and trick the server into believing its the legit client. That’s why the entire gaming industry has to move the code for anti-cheat to the server, and base it on action patterns which you can easily trace and detect, rather than anything on the client.
Yup.
I know it was 17 years ago, but the Sony BMG XCP scandal was enough to turn me off this concept forever.
Extended Copy Protection - Wikipedia for those who have never heard of it. Things like this are why you should never embrace kernel-level anything.
Oh yeah “great one” 
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I had to do some research on copy protection measures and such things when I was in university…some 15y ago or so 
Yeah I feel your pain, we talked about that one too…
in real time as it was starting to happen >.<
Being old, amirite…
just use captcha to verify your email once and it had to be a valid email not just a made up one .
doing it everytime would b annoying, but your idea sounds awful if its players that determine it not the game when u login .
you know whats annoying ?
BOTS ruining the game.
yeah no duh
The problem is, everyone here could provide AGS with million dollar, hell, even billion dollar ideas on how to effectively combat bots but they won’t listen to it.
Keep in mind, New World devs banned people for farming too much because they thought they were bots. They even said this. Like if you spent all day just chopping trees, you could have gotten a perma ban for it because you liked chopping trees and selling said loot on the auction house.