Any thoughts on how AGS is so good at ruining well-made games? (New World/Lost Ark)

game deadge as fuck, holy shit only bots hahahah weebs in shambles hahaha

I think it was implemented because Chang bought gold, sold it and then issued a chargeback so technically related to gold selling but not to botting itself.

I can assure you this happens here as well.

Lost ark still in top 10 games revenue steam chart fyi…

they are not just good, they are the best, number 1, top company on ruining great games

they cant even afford a good community manager that actually care about the game enough to play the game at at least valtan ilvl, the community manager we got, doesnt even login into the game to take screenshot of a pet created on their name.

its not even about failing/being unsuccessful on combating bots, lets be real, the only thing they are doing is punishing real players, not the bots

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good subjective forum echo chamber of ppl that play endgame and are hardcore gamers
casuals like it for what it is but prob play 40m a day aka they don’t do raids or clown
NA hardcore think game trash just another mobile game cuz it is
KR used to abuse least worse option ders NCsoft and Nexon lol
NA Casuals also quit too b/c game lacks content for casuals which I think is stupid

So we define “good” by profitability a common denominator. So far it still is according to steam.

But yeah this the last KR MMO I’ll play for myriad of reasons.
Make a game about alts but make alts expensive to build
Forcing players to play alts

At best we only like 1-2 classes not all 6

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Same there i jumped in because the combat dynamic looked insane and is insane but regarding the overall KR MMO design this is my first and last one.

Now im there Ill push till Brel for the raid experience then ill move on.

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I hate to twist the knife in the wound but considering the magnitude of success LA has accrued in the East and the amount of financial resources Amazon games has at its disposal this game is very badly managed.

  1. Too many “solutions” to fight bots have been implemented that have worsened the fair-player experience. AH holdout purchasing timer, 3 days lockout on gold, Infinite Chaos Dungeons rewards nerfed, removal of items from Cash shops (Relic rapport item etc)… thronespire ilvl increase, bound and tradable materials adjustments and so much more and for WHAT? Bots and RMT is still rampant and the only people they have pushed away is actual players. Actual players. No botters. No RMTers. Just actual normal players I used to play with in our guild and now they’re gone.

2)Their advertising agendas are of another world. If they could only reinvest in offering a facelift to our version of lost ark so it wouldn’t look like a washed down version of the RU or KR but a proper game in itself with letter from producers discussions, a proper news section which isn’t made of a bunch of TLDR essays with little to no illustration of the actual content coming up. Introduction of an API to manage some in-game activities.
More contests, giveaways, fanfests, events, LA rendezvous where content gets released ahead of time and streamed out to the audiences etc etc.
It takes a minute if you think about any other game you’ve played on how much more is being done to promote a game usually and how passionate Devs are to the point of showing their face and talking to their fans and playerbase. But NOT here.

3)Our version seems to me like a dog of a leash and our masters are the KR publishers.
It feels like our Devs don’t have a mind of their own or maybe not enough executive power to act on making relevant changes to improve the game therefore they’ve got to run ideas and systems by the KR teams for approval or development?

4)Communication and keeping the playerbase up to date in regards to ongoing issues and back of the house talks of fixing problems and what to expect in future. Sorry we’re you saying? Communication? We don’t do that here. Next one please.

Look, I like the game and I still play it but there are just so many things that can’t be overlooked when it comes to poor decision-making and mismanagement of a fine fine game that was breaking the charts in popularity a few years back. People in the west had been waiting for this for a long time and now have been pushed away by incompetence, greed and carelessness… and they’re not coming back.

Greedy market company trying videogames. That would never make out. That’s my opinion

idk why the fixation on mmos
games that are expensive to manage

they should just make FPS, MOBAs, BR
or mobile games

thats where the money is these days lootboxes, gacha and shooters
its like they intentionally want niche consumers only
All they had to do was buy out Apex devs
or Sega lol

the 3 day hold was to protect from credit card fraud that was taking place on a considerable scale, it is not against bots themselves

Gotta point out that these solutions were introduced by Smilegate, who’re the actual developers of this game, so many people with the misconception that AGSs are involved with the game’s code, no they aren’t.
Also the community reception to these “solutions” really confuse me. Whenever these changes are live in RU, KR clients people pointed at them saying how well they managed their game, but the same change bought to our version and they wrote up posts like this.

Agreed, 2 out of 3 games released topping chart, just the matter of game issues driving players away.

Again, didn’t actually develop the game, no access to behind the scene upcoming stuffs probably, I do think they have a test server for this though and I agree they could’ve done way better than some screenshots.
For API though, no devs not happening ask Smilegate.

Drops and drops continuously, 24/7 events in-game, contest is lacking though I agree.

They have an event stream painting pets and engaging with the community, also shared some stuffs. Had some streams during TwitchCon also, and the table top game thingy. Could definitely be more lively though.

Yes, you got it.

They do, there’re roadmaps. For back of the house stuffs though again, no devs no idea.

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Hey I remember this, how well they communicated with their playerbase, just a month or so ago, that there was uproar over Akkan’s release, shit I’m having deja vu brb.

Game’s beating Lost Ark in term of concurrent players and it’s a paid game, so ruined how?

Pray that you never have to do with AGS customer support for a false ban.

If you’re still on the bandwagon of copium that bots haven’t been significantly lowered since their restrictions, then I’m really sorry, you’re absolutely deluded. As they mentioned this is a constant fight against bots, you can literally see that they are atleast trying to add new measures (which could be annoying for everyone) but still they are trying and yes, they are effective.

If you really don’t like the game and you’re just enjoying to complain for the sake of complaining on forums instead of enjoying yourself on playing something else, you deserve your own fate to remain in this type of bubble of ignorance and nobody can help you.

The game has been fun and it’s still fun. It’s not dead because people “quit in no time”, people slowly leave any type of mmo whenever they reach the high end content and when the daily loops become pretty boring they simply leave and come back whenever new content arrives, that always been the case in any type of mmo, not just Lost Ark, not such a great science behind it. I’m a player who started this game since launch and I still see queues / flag parties pretty healthy and active for any type of raid.

Pointing the fingers only on Amazon in terms of how this game is dealt in our region, you’re just completely ignorant and incapable of seeing the full view. Smilegate has a major part of fault in this aswel.

I’ve seen multiple cases where Koreans haven’t been extremely happy to some of the Smilegate’s decisions, one of the example with their communication was with their newest Akkan raid release, they produced a lot of people being extremely fomo by mentioning the gear score requirement for hard mode just few weeks before, nobody was prepared for it, yet you’re stubborn to see only the “positives” from what SG does to their customers and “negatives” of AGS do to our region.

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AGS recent patch for New World was actually a pretty good success though

It’s not only AGS but also smilegate refusing to put resources to improve the game in the west. For them It’s just a side project, to see if they can make some more cash here. And now, that due to the piss poor management from AGS, and since SGS dont want to fund the neseccary anticheat improvements etc, the game is not thriving. And If It’s not thriving, from a business pov It makes no sense to invest heavy on it.

Congrats AGS and Smilegate, you just pissed in your own morning cereal and ruined something that could have been a really, really great game.

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New World doing great right now.

They had a horrible launch of a product that was not even close to ready but they made a promise to relase and not delay again. So it was a trash fire. Not the first MMO to release, fail and begin a redemption ark.

After a year of taking player feedback, fixing game breaking issues and with the new Burning Sands / fresh start no transfer servers it’s honestly been super fun playing now.

With LA, well. They don’t own it. AGS controls the servers. It’s on SG to fix the in-game issues.

How exactly is AGS ruining Lost Ark when a lot of the problems are baked into the game itself?

Where they are failing is advertising, or pushing SG to make the game new player friendly.

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Probably the death of Lost Ark will be caused by not getting new players. They are so far behind, the normal player with average amount of hours to play will never catch up. The end game design is about massive hours played so not for everyone.