Any thoughts on how AGS is so good at ruining well-made games? (New World/Lost Ark)

People are so ignorant towards how company should manage their games. You think 3 days lock on gold is useful to reduce bots? You think having a cooldown after buying any item from the market or AH useful for bot problems? I can tell you this, they aren’t helpful AT ALL.

Botters still manage to go through those two things it’s not a big problem. If AGS thinks these solution actually killed lots of botters, they are totally wrong. Bots in Lost Ark has decreased significantly NOT from AGS’s work, it’s just so many users have already quit and botters realize it’s not making them enough profit to keep doing it.

I bet that the game was more fun and crowded for the best of contents (t1/t2 area + any Isles that needs many people to clear) and that is why new players comes to try out Lost Ark and quits in no time since the game isn’t friendly at all to them and can’t even proceed lots of contents. And this is not only for the new players, even whales, players who played since launch gets affected so badly that the game is sinking to the ground. Imagine getting so attached to Lost Ark so one ends up spending quite real money only to realize that their shit aint worth anything after all and AGS does not even help us at all.

Go look at how Smilegates manages Lost Ark in terms of customer service, how they communicate with their users, and find a better solution for everyone. I know how KR server requires you to have Korean SSN to sign up but that doesn’t matter. They still have tons of bots and Chinese go ham for KR server. Why? it’s cuz it makes them good ass profit even if they have strict set ups and shit. All I can say is that AGS ruined New World + Lost Ark so quickly that noone has trust in them including myself.

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The game is literally fine. The only thing that’s annoying is the AH cooldown.

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You say that because there’s nothing you can do, but trust me if you ever go see how RUS and KR servers are managed, you won’t say the same thing.

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So from the stories of KR players have said the only RMT or bots KR has is from actual players that sell their own gold on the side themselves and even the small real bots they have with the way Sg handles their servers there is not much profit it seems they already provide bunch of new player experience for new players.

obvious most of this is due to how they handle registration something we will never get so thats why SG and AGS have to do these type of things to handle bots.

As for why its so different between KR / RU and NA/EU is because in AGS case they signed up to just be straight publishers and everything to be handled by SG , something i hear RU did not decide to do

I play KR Lost Ark rn and when I go to Punika, theres’s bunch of bots entering chaos /raids. Yes it’s hard to access Korean SSN to make an account, but Chinese botters buy SSN from dark web (ppl whose old, or people who got their info hacked before) and still manage to make profit off of it.
Yes they do get banned and they still do it. Why? cuz it’s lots of money lol

game deadge as fuck, holy shit only bots hahahah weebs in shambles hahaha

I think it was implemented because Chang bought gold, sold it and then issued a chargeback so technically related to gold selling but not to botting itself.

I can assure you this happens here as well.

Lost ark still in top 10 games revenue steam chart fyi…

they are not just good, they are the best, number 1, top company on ruining great games

they cant even afford a good community manager that actually care about the game enough to play the game at at least valtan ilvl, the community manager we got, doesnt even login into the game to take screenshot of a pet created on their name.

its not even about failing/being unsuccessful on combating bots, lets be real, the only thing they are doing is punishing real players, not the bots

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good subjective forum echo chamber of ppl that play endgame and are hardcore gamers
casuals like it for what it is but prob play 40m a day aka they don’t do raids or clown
NA hardcore think game trash just another mobile game cuz it is
KR used to abuse least worse option ders NCsoft and Nexon lol
NA Casuals also quit too b/c game lacks content for casuals which I think is stupid

So we define “good” by profitability a common denominator. So far it still is according to steam.

But yeah this the last KR MMO I’ll play for myriad of reasons.
Make a game about alts but make alts expensive to build
Forcing players to play alts

At best we only like 1-2 classes not all 6

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Same there i jumped in because the combat dynamic looked insane and is insane but regarding the overall KR MMO design this is my first and last one.

Now im there Ill push till Brel for the raid experience then ill move on.

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I hate to twist the knife in the wound but considering the magnitude of success LA has accrued in the East and the amount of financial resources Amazon games has at its disposal this game is very badly managed.

  1. Too many “solutions” to fight bots have been implemented that have worsened the fair-player experience. AH holdout purchasing timer, 3 days lockout on gold, Infinite Chaos Dungeons rewards nerfed, removal of items from Cash shops (Relic rapport item etc)… thronespire ilvl increase, bound and tradable materials adjustments and so much more and for WHAT? Bots and RMT is still rampant and the only people they have pushed away is actual players. Actual players. No botters. No RMTers. Just actual normal players I used to play with in our guild and now they’re gone.

2)Their advertising agendas are of another world. If they could only reinvest in offering a facelift to our version of lost ark so it wouldn’t look like a washed down version of the RU or KR but a proper game in itself with letter from producers discussions, a proper news section which isn’t made of a bunch of TLDR essays with little to no illustration of the actual content coming up. Introduction of an API to manage some in-game activities.
More contests, giveaways, fanfests, events, LA rendezvous where content gets released ahead of time and streamed out to the audiences etc etc.
It takes a minute if you think about any other game you’ve played on how much more is being done to promote a game usually and how passionate Devs are to the point of showing their face and talking to their fans and playerbase. But NOT here.

3)Our version seems to me like a dog of a leash and our masters are the KR publishers.
It feels like our Devs don’t have a mind of their own or maybe not enough executive power to act on making relevant changes to improve the game therefore they’ve got to run ideas and systems by the KR teams for approval or development?

4)Communication and keeping the playerbase up to date in regards to ongoing issues and back of the house talks of fixing problems and what to expect in future. Sorry we’re you saying? Communication? We don’t do that here. Next one please.

Look, I like the game and I still play it but there are just so many things that can’t be overlooked when it comes to poor decision-making and mismanagement of a fine fine game that was breaking the charts in popularity a few years back. People in the west had been waiting for this for a long time and now have been pushed away by incompetence, greed and carelessness… and they’re not coming back.

Greedy market company trying videogames. That would never make out. That’s my opinion

idk why the fixation on mmos
games that are expensive to manage

they should just make FPS, MOBAs, BR
or mobile games

thats where the money is these days lootboxes, gacha and shooters
its like they intentionally want niche consumers only
All they had to do was buy out Apex devs
or Sega lol

the 3 day hold was to protect from credit card fraud that was taking place on a considerable scale, it is not against bots themselves

Gotta point out that these solutions were introduced by Smilegate, who’re the actual developers of this game, so many people with the misconception that AGSs are involved with the game’s code, no they aren’t.
Also the community reception to these “solutions” really confuse me. Whenever these changes are live in RU, KR clients people pointed at them saying how well they managed their game, but the same change bought to our version and they wrote up posts like this.

Agreed, 2 out of 3 games released topping chart, just the matter of game issues driving players away.

Again, didn’t actually develop the game, no access to behind the scene upcoming stuffs probably, I do think they have a test server for this though and I agree they could’ve done way better than some screenshots.
For API though, no devs not happening ask Smilegate.

Drops and drops continuously, 24/7 events in-game, contest is lacking though I agree.

They have an event stream painting pets and engaging with the community, also shared some stuffs. Had some streams during TwitchCon also, and the table top game thingy. Could definitely be more lively though.

Yes, you got it.

They do, there’re roadmaps. For back of the house stuffs though again, no devs no idea.

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Hey I remember this, how well they communicated with their playerbase, just a month or so ago, that there was uproar over Akkan’s release, shit I’m having deja vu brb.

Game’s beating Lost Ark in term of concurrent players and it’s a paid game, so ruined how?

Pray that you never have to do with AGS customer support for a false ban.

If you’re still on the bandwagon of copium that bots haven’t been significantly lowered since their restrictions, then I’m really sorry, you’re absolutely deluded. As they mentioned this is a constant fight against bots, you can literally see that they are atleast trying to add new measures (which could be annoying for everyone) but still they are trying and yes, they are effective.

If you really don’t like the game and you’re just enjoying to complain for the sake of complaining on forums instead of enjoying yourself on playing something else, you deserve your own fate to remain in this type of bubble of ignorance and nobody can help you.

The game has been fun and it’s still fun. It’s not dead because people “quit in no time”, people slowly leave any type of mmo whenever they reach the high end content and when the daily loops become pretty boring they simply leave and come back whenever new content arrives, that always been the case in any type of mmo, not just Lost Ark, not such a great science behind it. I’m a player who started this game since launch and I still see queues / flag parties pretty healthy and active for any type of raid.

Pointing the fingers only on Amazon in terms of how this game is dealt in our region, you’re just completely ignorant and incapable of seeing the full view. Smilegate has a major part of fault in this aswel.

I’ve seen multiple cases where Koreans haven’t been extremely happy to some of the Smilegate’s decisions, one of the example with their communication was with their newest Akkan raid release, they produced a lot of people being extremely fomo by mentioning the gear score requirement for hard mode just few weeks before, nobody was prepared for it, yet you’re stubborn to see only the “positives” from what SG does to their customers and “negatives” of AGS do to our region.

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