Yup but being 1472 on your alts is nothing compared to a 1520 silver wise and it gets worse the higher you get.
And thats exactly my point! His/her error is the paralel honing of all 4 of them without doing any lopangs!
You cant do that with this kind of roster. I know it well myself xD
But isnt it a problem that on a daily basis he cant have enough of a basic ressource such as silver to play actual content (released 6 weeks ago) at ilvl (exactly 1520 not even 1530) with 4 chars.
When it is about gold itis up to people, can be your honing luck/unluck cost, selling or keeping unbound mats, investing your gold in gear or engravings, its a part where you have somekind of control.
Silver is a demn wall even for tryharders. And what i think is shameful is that some “casual players” with 3-4 chars will discover a new gold sink because they will need to buy silver in order to keep playing with their mates. Silver is a real problem when small rosters people were barely keeping up the pace already.
Thats a shame if you ask me.
Of course i agree. I bet you know the math better than me! But i still think focusing one or two chars and honing the rest over time is wiser, then having them all on 1520+.
I mean Brel is out since 6 weeks. So not that long. He is doing no lopangs and costs rise exponentially with brel gear. So he has to cut cost somewhere. Or make more alts 
Again not denying your statement!
I am a girl so you can call me that ;p
Also for @myeura, I online very little, like offline for 3-4 days then got in to do raids and off. You can imagine how casual I am right now!
The game design is pure bad, I get that you “adapted” to it and try to defend this bad design system. But please understand, “casual” people like me can no longer enjoy the game, especially when hard brel come. And my god it would be dead for us at the Akkan for sure.
Well, im not the kind of guy good at adressing stuff to AGS or “beg” for something, but yeah AGS should be asked for more silver rewards/events as it is a problem for a region catching up, specially when it is already a problem for a region like KR.
Ask for more silver rewards from fevers etc or whatever can be a short time solution.
It is too much. I have an ungodly amount of silver ~100 mil, but I have been running Lopang on every single one of my alts ever since they hit T3 and I’ve played this game since early access. But this isn’t something the average player should be expected to do.
Since Brel release - outside of just transferring - I have not honed anyone else except my main (using unbound mats). I still buy the silvery pack from the shop, all of my shard pouches from chaos gate, shard pouches Mayhem/Brel vendor, and weekly lockouts (have gone all to my main). I am sitting at around 450k shards and building my stash for the next content release. Your mileage will vary, but the price of getting your character from 1490 to 1560 (to clear all 6 gates of Brel HM) will be:
- 42 mil silver
- 2.35 mil shards
And this is without the cool ~250k silver you need for each armor transfer to Brel relic.
FYI. @1520 and w/o rested - each character earns around 150k silver and 12k shards a day from [x2] chaos dungeons.
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I wouldnt call it “defence” but in any game are limitations. In LA, if you believe other people everything is a limit. Pheons, leaps, silver, cards, gems, roster lvl and what not. I mean i get what people are trying to say. But a game being a game has some form of limitations. In WoW you have one try every week to roll on gear.
Same goes for other games like COD or League.
Exactly like he said.
The only super bright side is that small alts do almost the same amount of silver than a 1520 for chaos dungeons.
Clearly a mistake from SG that a 1415 alt generates almost as much as a 1520.
If a player has time to run some chaos on old alts he will make it eventually without much pain
But the casual playe ? I hardly think so.
So what would you propose to cat here? I mean outside of stuff to beg SG like ueberzerker did.
You would naturally stop honing your alts outside of the main wouldnt you?
Stop spending your time and start spending your money instead. The game already has a solution to your problem
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Assuming the type of player, he is similar to me roster wise, clearly if at some point we will lack silver and need to “push” a bit towards the end, we will buy silver with gold because we can.
What is wrong in my sentence is that, we already were playing a different game than casual but it was somewhat viable. But when people will take silver in account it will be a whole world between them and casual.
And even personally i cant keep up anymore with job etc. I will have to slow down because there is too much to do now.
Depends on his goal in the game, but if his goal is to be Brel HM ready; then yes. Focus on one character at a time before you start sharing your resources with the rest of you roster.
But even while honing one character, you still need to be very active (doing your dailies - almost every day) to achieve that without swiping.
The other option (SG’s carrot-on-a-stick) is that good old credit card. Swipe swipe swipe. =)
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100% agree. Thank you. I thought for a moment that i am the insane one xD
In the end i just wanted to make clear: LESS HONING ALTS MORE HONING MAIN!
The other thing to keep in mind is that honing is not the only thing that takes away resources. You add in quality upgrade, descent accessories and gems. It’s an expensive (either in terms of time, money, or both) endeavor.
these are awesome tips. i agree, and think the utmost priority is saving the max silver you can. brel hard push is steep, but i think we got plenty of time to get the stuff.
but yeah, let’s not fomo cuz the game kinda makes you anxious to have a shit ton of very high alts to make you spend. my push to 1520 week 1 was already something and it taught me a lot that you gotta be patient and not fomo at this game…
tldr, save max silver and focus on a char you want to be a main, dont rush it. game’s a marathon, not a race 
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So there is a large gap between maintaining a 6 gold-earning-roster prior to 1490 and then maintaining a 1540 alt roster now. Back then, it was achievable to obtain that 1490 roster to be ready for Brel (and more importantly for me - the new guardian raid).
Your alts need to be 1540 to fight the gorilla guardian. Because well let’s be real, Cali sucks =P
The main reason why people are worried about honing alts and keeping them just a tad bit behind their alts, is so that their alts can do content that will inevitably continue to help their main prepare for the next subsequent content releases.
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Aha but I enjoy aff of my characters, so no alt there!
My two bards can sit at 1520 and 1500 because i have no issue joining any raids.
However my 1500 sorce and 1520 arcanist on the other hand. I barely got accepted into any brel lobby, they have meta 5x3 and decent stats. Mostly level 7 gems, i dont have los but the card set that gives 7% crit. I believe my item level is the issue so i am trying to hone them for a bit.
I want to try brel 5-6 on my arcanist and sorce but it seems like im not going to be there any time soon xddd
Anway thank for your tips people! Hopefully I can get my lazy bum to run chaos every day from now on, but its just too tired when you have to do on 4 characters. I tried it.
Edits: I still hope AGS understand and reduce the cost on honing so people play less when enjoy more!
Where i halfly disagree with you is because of the following statement :
In my experience :
- people raiding the latest content only once a week are just trying to remember every week how not to fail it.
- people raiding it 3+ times a week slowly begin to master it and predict stuff.
So having a wall to players to not practice it more than once in a week is an issue unless its easyer to at least get at the required minimum ilvl to train it.
Because of the once / week entry system people should at least not struggle with silver to hit 1520.
Having only a main running G6 is a handicap compared to the experience people have running it multiple times each week and also the number of days between the training will be shortened.
Depends on the player tbh. I am running it on one character and i am doing just fine 
But i understand your reasoning. All in all i am not against proposed silver changes like adding additional quests or uping the silver gain from characters at maybe 1490. I am just saying, honinh all your characters be it alt or not at the same time will naturally cost tons of ressources like darealjedi mentioned.