because its the usual way how you transfer gold cross servers.
Both of this solutions impact negatively the game aswell as the vpn blocks, the possible “chaos dung nerfs”, etc.
The problem of this solutions is that they are focused around bots. Get rid of any pride bots much powerfull than both companies they need to delete bot’s customers the RMTers. Without them bots aren’t profitable and at the same time every legit player can keep playing without negative impacts
Except they actually solved bot problem in KR but still have RMT’ers
Keep coping dude
I see. mailing isn’t a thing cross servers?
Anyway if the guy who got the gold also claimmed a raid at the same time you did which is data the system has then it would be fine as a bot won’t carry you through an abyss…
In the other hand they could make a ToS around not pugging and would solve those sketchy cases aswell but i prefer the first one which is more complicated but at least doesn’t negatively impact legit players.
I agree with you! i have said this before, its the people buying the gold that are keeping the bots working, the only way to stop the bots, is for people to NOT buy gold, or to make gold untradable, maybe if there was a real risk of perma bans and IP bans people would think twice about buying from these sites and we may see bot decline! but while both ( bots and RMTers) are going unchecked and unpunished this situation will only get worse!
Yeah that kr is is strong against bot which allows them to do nothing about it and still be good i guess RMTers on korea are just normal ppl who have inflated their gold and are doing RMT but those aren’t a huge part of the server.
If they pull off their identify RMTers methods then they would solve every region problem at once.
What is coping about deleting customers? Does a bussiness work without their clients?
BOTS are the problem! solution is to have a game master. Play the game and BAN these obvious bots running around everywhere!
Lmao if they are RMT’ing then they are not their clients. They are not buying from Smilegate but third party sellers.
Second, you don’t need irl identity to stop botting. All you need to do is do 1 good ban-wave and then stop all new accounts from making characters on existing servers. Then create a new server for new players only and no market access but access to all other functions. This will concentrate all bots on the new server for easy detection.
Of course, a new player will want to join a real server but this will be a problem as server transfer are not currently in the game but they should not be allowed to until they reach tier 3. Maybe once they add it, then this will be feasible
Why would you devolve into a manual task when you can actually identify the clients of those bots and cut their profit making them worthless to being even active.
Not even players endure sitting there reporting them and instad lf paying a person to do that activity you could pay someone who actually crrates an effficent way to identify RMters and after that you could keep using that person brain to do more actually usefull things.
I’ll keep repeating this to you guys till the concept drills into your heads.
Humans tends to focus on the huge problem and try to aimlesly solve it without identifying the source of the problem
Ok so why do RMT players exist? These players obviously have money to spend. So would it be better to undercut the rmg gold…and lower the prices of crystals. If you can’t beat bots beat them at their own game…lower the cash shop crystal price and price the bots out of the market ? Then these players would go to the in game shop and spend their money on crystals. Or am I totally missing something?
so youre saying ban RMTers first and not ban the bots?
you forget a company needs to make money. You are playing a F2P game and you want them to make everything cheaper than what it cost to bot in a third world country?
Of course but they get their gold through the game so you can easily identify the ones who have more gold than they actually should have.
That’s the whole point of the post identifying RMTers by comapring players normal gold flow deleting the ones who doesn’t make sense (cause their money transactions are put of the system)
Another solution that negative impacts legit players that want to invite their friends to play this game on their same server.
A server transfer just transfer a single character and not your roster and i don’t know if you even loose roster xp.
Stop focusing around bots focus their source of profit
Considering most bot farms are from China, I wouldn’t consider it or anyone that can run 10 pcs exactly 3rd world.
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At least you thought about a non bots focused solution which is a good start but that’s not how it works. It would start a dumping with bot bussiness so they will both lower their prices and bots will increase their numbers to keep the bussiness profitable while SG will loose tons of money.
Botters will always selll gold cheaper than the game cause that’s their whole selling point
That’s the whole point of the post identifying RMTers by comapring players normal gold flow deleting the ones who doesn’t make sense (cause their money transactions are put of the system)
Except that’s not how it works? What If I want to sell bus Argos for gold? Or if I want to sell Valtan bus eventually? I will get more gold than someone who just does chaos/guardians and raid once a week but it doesn’t mean I am RMT’ing
Another solution that negative impacts legit players that want to invite their friends to play this game on their same server.
A server transfer just transfer a single character and not your roster and i don’t know if you even loose roster xp.
Stop focusing around bots focus their source of profit
Impacting the minority but helping the majority? That is how it works in every society. They had server transfers for full roster for a bit of time in KR. So it’s not impossible for them to implement in the game. This ban/server lock into a server merge system is what they literally did in Korea and it stopped all botting on real servers.
Banning RMT’ers will do nothing to stop server que’s or to help server stability. You should be banning RMT’ers and bots, not only doing one
When this thread started i pursposelly put the “raid logs” there for a reason.
Bots have quantity not quality a bussing gold transaction is easily solved if the people who payed a guy his bussing services claim the raid at the same date and hour.
Could a bot achieve that? NO
I see now i should have make an essay on og post but if i can think of this koreans who lives their lives around money more than any other living creature will know how to deal with RMTers. They haven’t done it yet cause they don’t have huge RMTers cause they don’t have west bot problems.
I can’t explain how much this trigger my ethics but putting that aside if you ONLY impact RMTers then bots won’t have a reason to exist in LA and they will go to other game with a more profitable market.
Bots can’t exist without RMters and RMTers can’t exist without bots. Bots are strong like a huge army and RMTers are weak like a couple pf guys with knifes. Which one would you aim to completely destroy your problem?
Yes. But why?
Because no matter what SG/ AGS is doing their efforts to bans bots were proved to be worthless they are fighting a loosing fight bots are superior than them.
They could actually do a ban wave again and deal with all the false positives but that won’t solve any problem.
Bots can’t exist without RMTers. Cut bots money supply and they will migrate to other game is literally that easy.
I explain this so many times that i’m starting to get exhausted but i’ll keep trying to put examples on this
Lets think something in your bathroom broke and now there is water everywhere your house will flood (i’m clearly exagerating) will you grab a bucket to reduce the oncreasing water lvl (which clearly will outpace you) or will you cut the water supply?
Water is bots and water supply is RMTers
Middle example i was struggling with my english and i remeber those toons where a boat is sinking and instead of blocking the hole the memebers of the ships grabbed buckets and poored the water back to the ocean. Esencially the same example.
Bots can’t exist without RMters and RMTers can’t exist without bots.
Literally false information. There are RMT’ers in Korea and they have a low bot population
How much RMTers do you have there in korea?
They may be some players selling their gold but is not as bad as the amount we have on the west.
I’ll make it more simple and i’ll say that at least bots can’t exist without RMTers