By this logic, there would be not a single lobby in any raid. Everyone should just go for matchmaking.
So you are saying, that if there is one lobby where people are gatekeeping 5x3 or demanded ilvl is higher than mine, i can’t make my own lobby, because that would mean no one wants me?
I think you need some reality check.
Just because you are rejected from raids doesn’t mean everyone has the same issue.
Some people know that it’s easier to make your own lobby and accept players, than wait for being accepted to other groups.
You are literally a spammer.
Post a lot same shit, and when things go south, you stop replying and make new topic about same thing.
I mean you don’t have to think you can just look it up and accept it as a fact that argos is the only content that allows you as a 1370 to redeem rewards for 1400 content. One can say that gold earned this way is being printed and it’s sort of true but the effect of this on the market is extremely small otherwise it would have been patched a long time ago.
Vykas and Valtan buses are different because you are assuming that those players who get the bus for it right now would just completely stop attempting to clear the content if there were no buses. This is obviously a dumb thing to believe. If you pushed your toon to 1430 and it isn’t even able to earn gold obviously you’d just invest into buying the gear and doing the raid yourself.
There isn’t much inflation going on anyway. Mat prices are going down, relic accessory prices have gone down a bit. Books seem to be hovering around at the same price. The only thing that has risen a lot is blue crystals. You don’t necessarily have to have inflation for blue crystal prices to rise. There is some more gold for sure but it’s more due to the honing buff and things like that. It has nothing to do with bussing. It’s the same amount of gold just the distribution of it changes. If you can’t understand that what can we say. Inflation is the dumbest argument against bussing so far. I can understand when people say that it ruins the gameplay that’s understandable. Otherwise it’s such a peasant thing to believe. “Oh shit, I can’t afford pheons now… Right! It’s the bussers! Yes, it’s because of them that prices have gone up!” I don’t know man this kind of people are just cringe on a whole new level.
Doesn’t mean people shouldn’t bring attention to it again to get it patched to be like later content.
This is the entire reason for buying a bus. What you say defeats that purpose, we wouldn’t even be having this convo lol if people we running their own raids. We’re specifically talking about people who only generate their gold through busing and how this gold is essentially or can be viewed as ‘printing gold’.
Anyways, sounds like you’re just agreeing with me about gold printing but arguing your own perspective on the situation. It is what it is, agree to disagree.
The group fullfill very quickly. We are talking about normal vykas and valtan. There a thousands alts parked there. Alt’s reclear are usually very fast, but depends of the pug. For example; this week Oneshotted Valtan with Mage, around 30min full run but I struggled 1h~ with Scrapper because the group couldn’t be alive in Ghost phase.
All you need is a team that know what he’s doing rather than bring overgeared people. What’s the point anyways? In Valtan for example, in p1 you’re waiting for orbs cheese even with a full team of 1415 and in p2 any gigachad die if they get caught.
If you’re asking me as a leader your character don’t tell me much. You’re the average alt even with the 4x3. If you’re a high roster (like 150+) I may take you, but if you’re low roster with that setup of full spec/crit I’m gonna pass.
It’s not about engravings, it’s more about your inconsistency landing double doomsday (yes, you can land two if you didn’t know that). Since there are already a mage with 0 consistency (me) there is no point on bringing you with that setup.
When people say gold generation what they mean is gold being put into the game. When 8 people enter the raid the exact same amount of gold comes out (or being generated) whether you bus it or not. If it’s being bussed the gold changes owners ie. those who take the bus pay the busser.
People don’t take the bus to “generate gold”. Do you realize how dumb this even is? You put some 40k into a character just to buy Vykas and Valtan buses? Congratulations, now your weekly gold income is actually lower than not investing into that character at all and just doing Oreha hardmodes.
It’s not even a question of agreeing or disagreeing. It’s like my plumber who has no idea talking to me about how to optimize software or some shit. Just check bus prices and do the math yourself compare how much a 1370 character earns you a week and how much a 1430 bussed character earns you a week. Then come back to me and show me your math please I would really love to see how you will make that profitable.
You’re literally arguing only your hypothetical makes sense while denying everything else anyone argues doesn’t make sense. While not even trying to address arguments outside of your hypothetical.
The only reason this topic continues to come up both here and in KR time and time again is b/c bussing causes inflation from gold that wouldn’t be here, to begin with w/o the bussers
If you suck at game/invest min. gold and 1430, you still can’t do valtan or vykas it still nets you zero gold. The only way to ever get anything out of nothing is to get someone to bus you.
This gold should have never been in the game to begin with. You only want to see this as ‘well they could do the raid to get it’ where other arguments are saying… no actually they aren’t going to do anything at all period i.e. buying gear, books, tripods etc. b/c that defeats the purpose of a parked alt paying for bus.
Right now, passes take you to 1370 so Agros free gold bus is the problem, next it’s 1415 pass so Valtan free gold is the problem… next is 1430 pass so Vykas free gold is the problem.
Anyways at this point, we’re arguing such completely different points, it truly is pointless to keep chatting here. So I’ll just leave this here and not take the bait anymore.
It’s not hypothetical. You can go into the game right now and show me how it is more profitable to ride the bus for everything else except for argos where you are something like 300g better off.
Buses are priced so that you break even or maybe earn a few hundred gold on top of that if you are lucky. If you suck at the game and you are 1430 you just join the alt reclear group and get the free bus anyway. So it will be in the game whether you think it should be or not.
This never was and never be a problem and it’s proven by your non-existent math. Show me that it’s more worth investing into a 1430 character riding the bus vs not investing into a character at all and doing oreha hard modes. We are eagerly waiting for this revolutionary gold earning strat!
Yes, and all of it was based on you not even knowing what gold generation means and how it relates to the topic to begin with.
But that’s not the math I want to see. I want you to explain me your previous comments on why people are taking the bus and I want you to prove me that it is a legitimate strategy. Cheers.
you didn’t prove anything either? I used your own numbers to show that
using math doesn’t make you right, just b/c you think others will get lost in the number crunching doesn’t mean everyone will get confused
some of us actually math you know, ALL you did was interpret the numbers your way and all I did was re-crunch those numbers and interpreted them the other way
Yes and you got it all wrong. Even at the 1445 calcs you were showing the sum of what you earn just by doing una tokens assuming none of the BUSSERS THEMSELVES can clear content while simultaneously getting busses from non-existing bussers (as there are 0 number of players above the 1445 bracket)
Like there’s just so many issues with what you did there and it’s just so retarded on a whole new level that I could write a 50 pages long essay on how stupid it is. Lmfao what
Yes, argos is the only place where bussing generates gold that otherwise could have not existed and where it is actually profitable. Again if you want to talk about how Vykas and Valtan buses are profitable we need your math on showing us how investing 40k gold into a 1430 character and riding buses for a weekly max 1k gold is more profitable than staying at 1370 and doing oreha hard modes. I’m waiting.
we are talking about the scenario from a perspective beyond just your scoped hypothetical as I said and made this clear. I said you were down playing the situation with 3% by limiting it to Agros and rationalizing it as not the same as typical busses.
Anyways, we know the situation is going to get worse as time goes on as seen in KR. this isn’t anything new. With higher content, means more passes, means more free stuff, means more printed gold.
It’s not hypothetical in the sense that if you actually do the math on those player numbers and scenarios that is how much gold that is being printed. 3% is actually exaggerating and even if it was 3% like you can only guess of it’s effects on the economy. In a real market if you were to lower income taxes by 3% the price of goods, bread, clothing gas wouldn’t magically double.
I was actually so biased towards inflation in my example that another poster who was saying the same thing as I do misunderstood it and thought I was trying to prove that it causes inflation. That 3% only gets lower once replace the variables with real data. Like, less than 1% or even 0.3%.
This is what I was trying to illustrate but instead of making things up completely I did put the thought process there. Maybe tomorrow we should make a thread about banning gold islands because it causes inflation!
spending gold to gear an alt (not honing) doesn’t counter inflation lmao only 5% transacation fee which is negligible. Only gold sinks do.
A person could gear their alt and start doing the raid normally or buy a bus. The only difference in inflation is gold/week * # weeks it takes the player to gear the alt to run legion raids normally.
