i mean there are ALOT of people selling busses, just look at party finder. you don’t see them getting banned. they have been bussing like weeks ago but they haven’t been ban. only RMTers will be banned, those who sells through T1 gems/accessories. they will sell it in small amount until they reach the agreed amount. it is really hard to side on these posts that claim they have been falsely banned. more likely, you got caught selling T1 gems at 250gold each 100 times over for 25k gold.
Everyone posting here is high on copium … relax guys
In case people don’t realize they have logs for almost everything you do and say in game. Most competently developed MMOs do. They can see if you sold you perfect 100 relic neck with grudge +5 and class engraving +3 for a 100k versus if you’re selling an blue 1 quality ring with only +1 ether predator for 100k. No system is perfect but you’re pretty much guaranteed to not get banned if you don’t RMT.
Roxx is revealing an aspect of the analysis / profiling they are currently using and Im not impressed:
- “Regular use” of the AH should only be a factor as a supplemental factor for ban flags. She’s saying that whether you regularly or irregularly use the AH plays into the believability of your story (ban challenge). I disagree.
- Receiving gold from an RMT’er or suspicous account under all considerations means you intended or engaged an RMT’er. Frankly, debatable. there will be false-positives here, but small. as others have ponted out some people just “collect all” from mail.
Ill go back over Roxxes other announcements which I also find pretty ambiguous.
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The bans have highly ambiguous reasoning. The ban notice Alan provided even mentioned toxic behaviour (and not RMT) as the reason, when toxicity bans are 35 - 168 hrs and he got 8 months Understanding Account Penalty Types - Support | Amazon Games (not to mention if someone wants to use paint to create some form or artifice)
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When advice is forth coming from Roxx its often appearing to be very direct and absolute but its actually also massively ambiguous aswell:
A. 7 days ago she said “all ban reviews” had resulted in an upholding of the ban, then in the same paragraph, “almost all”. So there are false positives. What percent, be honest, stop the bs.
B. 7 days ago she said “they all RMT’ed” and then “if you receive botted gold” well there’s a MASSIVE difference there… which is it? Clearly, some had “received botted gold” but yeah maybe then really didnt RMT… and the difference isnt complicated.
C. The advise from Roxx here also creates an ambiguity again that you MIGHT be penalised for receiving gold “close to an RMT party”???
D. And then they’re mixing the language on autoflags and autobans, in the same way to create doubt on game systems. High collection of gold through the AH over a period DOES appear to autoflag, but Roxx says it wont - MAYBE in a single instance.
So, all their comms are opaque and contrary, but their not distinguishing from an opaqueness and relevance:
- which players will try to get around for the purposes of RMT and
- which provide game systems reliability and yes, they need to.
They need to find a way forward without contradiction and to establish clarity for game systems.
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Thats right there is clearly inconsistent and inaccurate statements coming out from Roxx. I agree with you.
From what I’ve actually read of banned bussers, it seems like they were not selling random BiS accessories, but tier 2 gems for high prices. Where have you seen the evidence of bans for this? At least in the other thread they posted screenshots about some tier 2 gem they sold for 1400+ gold on AH which is probably a bad idea because it’s going to look like exactly like RMT if you sell worthless crap cross-server like that.
Roxx the problem is that gold is limited after 6 runs. Would you be able to talk to the dev about making a buss featured in party finder. Where the leader could pick which gate it draws the gold from all the party members or selected part members and how much. This would fix the problem with the HA and people getting flag as RMT source since it was design into the system or this could make it easier to see if it was from RMT.
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Nice to see someone bringing the key details about this “clarification”.
If anything, they’re creating even more grey areas than before, and not taking due responsibility for the current situation, while implying players should be the ones proceeding carefully with their gameplay as “it may impact their accounts in the end”. Astonishing.
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No, it’s pretty clear. The only people obfuscating this are argumentative knuckleheads and people lying about not RMTing who were banned.
Not hard to figure out at all.
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Go find the post where Roxx confirmed that all the threads claiming to be innocent about RMT were all lying. It’d probably make more sense then.
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Lol if you’re afraid you’ll get banned for selling bis items, just sell them for 3k gold. I’m looking for Spec/crit necklace with kbw5/cursed3 or grudge 3. So if you find one put it up for 3k gold. Better yet, make it 2k gold to be safe
That is so bad because now our gameplay & the responsibilities of the Devs are being handed down to us. As a player, we should not have to sell items for less in the AH
I just sold an earring for 25k gold a few days ago and I didn’t get banned. I have a bis necklace up right now for 70k. And I’ve sold argos busses for like 2k+ gold when arcana came out. As you can see, i’m not banned. So if you’re afraid to get banned then don’t sell or sell for less. Personally, I know i don’t rmt so imma sell my items for what it’s worth. And i’m also gonna continue to bus. Obviously if i see someone name “lgfkdshfldsk” trying to get in my bus i won’t bring them.
You just contradicted your previous comment with this. Why tell someone to sell their accessories for lower & say you don’t do it lol. Very hypocritical to tell someone to do something when you don’t do it yourself.
With what was stated above by Roxx, You will not be banned for listing items on AH. Sooooo…
HUUUHHH? Do you not know sarcasm? the OP is titled "Bussing/Selling multiple BIS items on AH confirmed ban-able. So I came in here telling them that if they are so scared to get banned then sell for less. I never said you will get banned if you sell items for 50k, 100k, etc. Jesus Christ lol
If John RMT and bought your accessory you should be safe. If John put gems out and they are bought constantly by Chinese accounts that also buy other gems from other people that is why John will get banned.
The problem is if the Chinese RMT guy buys your lvl 10 gem or relic accessory as he has enough gold to buy them all and flip and get the price at level he wants. You might still get in trouble for that even though you are innocent
That’s how I see it
5.6m gold is shady as fuck.
stop believing liars on the internet who got caught cheating online games then spin a story to make themselves look like a victim.
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You didnt read what i wrote in my post, might want to go back and try reading it again.
no, i did.
“adding up multiple trades to 5.6m”
it’s shady. 5.6m gold is an insane amount of gold even if adding together a bunch of AH sales history.
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