So you admit you don’t understand statistics?
so you admit you didnt get my joke?
You literally just said, “well, joke’s on you, there were no joke to begin with”
…my guy. Are you okay?
this is just sad tbh
but let me explain to you
oy vey, just stop bro…
LET ME JUST START BY SAYING I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU WONT EVEN READ OR UNDERSTAND OR CARE ABOUT ANYTHING IN THIS COMMENT
@Einnulfur this is me explaining to you that just because there is a chance of winning something, be it 1:2 1:20 1:10000000 doesnt mean it is a viable option or that it is worth it.
would you give me all your life savings for a 1:2 chances of losing it but also 1:2 chances of doubling it for you?
someone would take it and double their money, but that doesnt mean it is a good thing and you should try it, even if it has a way better chance than the 5% honning chance.
it doesnt need to be a 1:1 comparison if someone is making an example.
if a friends tells you " dude this man offered me a 1:2 chance of doubling or losing my money, should i do it?"
you saying " not worth it, gamling is a scam, i failed 10 honnings in a row"
it would be really idiotic of your friends to say " but dude, that’s a 1 in a 20 chance, i am talking about 1 in a 2, why are you bringing up gambling in a different percentage as an example of gambling being not worth it"
then you would say to your friend " BAAAKA, the analogy is about gambling as a system, not the percentages"
a coin having 50% chance of being heads doesnt mean you have a 100% chance of getting heads if you play it 2 times, it can also mean you could get tails for 10 trillion times in a row, but then get 10 trillion heads in a row, it is a low chance, but if you try an infinite amount of times it will happen infinite amount of times.
so no, you dont need an example having 1:20 chances to be stated, because the example isnt about percentages, it is about the gambling itself
about this reply
it just explains that unlike a lottery where all tickets are in a contained pool of tickets and if you get more tickets you gradually increase your winning chance to 100%
the 5% fused leapstone stays the same, so every time you dont add up to your artisan energy or whatever, every single time is an instance on its own, thus generally speaking it has way less value than a lottery ticket, at best it has a better value, at worst it has infinitely worse value because you are only guaranteed the 1:20 chances in that one instance, and while it is unlikely you would spend you entire life not getting a success once on it, it is also very possible that it would happen
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Lol, you’re the one who unironically thinks a lottery ticket has better odds than 1:20 chance. I have nothing to prove to someone like that…
says the guy who cant understand even after you baby feed him the explanation.
like this is sad man, i literally had to break down “understanding” for you to understand the point, and still you dont, how sad
“says the guy who cant understand even after you baby feed him the explanation.”
You mean your argument that is utterly nonsensical? Your argument falls apart, given the fact you will never have 300 million chances to use fused leapstones. It’s completely unequal and you’re coping so hard right now.
just because you dont understand analogies or statistics doesnt mean it makes no sense, it just means you dont get it, just like the joke you still dont get
maybe i should explain it more deeply you snowflake. The person aka one of my guild mates just finished valtan right get the fused leapstones. we’re in VC with 9 other people, he asks what they do 3 other guild mates explain to him what they do (practically free honing they say to him) I go “you wont destroy them no balls for 1k gold” and like an idiot who takes the the “no balls” thing seriously destroys them and everyone but him laughs cause no one in the world of lost ark would do that. As my point he literally took the no balls thing serious and after our laughs we left it at that.
Here’s the reality bud, if you use fused leapstones at a 5% (1:20 chance), 1 million times in a row, your odds of honing at least once is essentialy guaranteed. The odds of winning the Powerball if you buy 1 million tickets does go up, but the odds of you winning he lottery is still abysmally low.
I don’t care about your analogies or flawed understanding of statistics, you’re literally just wrong.
Why are you people cooking over his analogy? Someone will onetap and someone will spend 10k fused leaps before getting a success (like me)
They are as useful as you are lucky
They’re not making an analogy that has any bearing on actual statistics. They’re using an extreme case that will never actually occur to justify their equally ridiculous argument. It’s purely illogical.
that is just blatantly false, there is a big chance of this happening, but it is not guaranteed, on the grand scheme of things it has the same chance of failing 1 million times in a row, that’s how percentages work.
the odds of you winning the lottery if you buy half the tickets is 50%, if you buy all the tickets it is 100%
your chances of getting a honning chance if you hone 20 times is still 5%, it will never be 100%, every instance is a new chance on its own, it is not connected to the previous one.
it is more likely that you hit a hone if you try 20 times than failing a million times on small scale.
but on a bigger scale they both have basically the same chance.
some people like 1 tapped their way to a piece, 2 or 3.
it would be super idiotic to say the guy who 1 tapped 3 pieces in a row “SHOULD” fail the next 57 hones, it would be super idiotic to think that’s how it works
apparently you are the one who neither understand analogies even when baby fed, or how statistics work.
using your logic everyone in game should have the same amount of successes and fails, which it doesnt, however in an infinitely large pool of player with infinitely large amount of hones, everyone of them have the same amount of success and fails, at one point everyone even successed 666 times in a row, then failed 420 times in a row then succeeded 69 times in a row
that’s just how statistics work
just because it is called 1:20 chance, doesnt mean you are guaranteed to work once every 20 times, could work 1 every single times for your entire gaming life in lost ark, but could also never work not even once till you quit the game
that’s how statistics, not your weird interpretation of how it works.
PLUS ALL OF THIS IS TO EXPLAIN A FREAKING ANALOGY THAT WASNT A 1:1 % RATE
analogies dont need to be 1:1
just because my uncle got scammed for 5 million by prince mbappé from nigeria, doesnt mean i cant tell you your uncle is gonna get scammed because the mail he got was from prince buhari for only 5k , so it’s not a 1:1 scale, different name and different amount, thus they are not the same
how dare you say it could take more than 20 tries to get a success chance, that’s illegal
“that is just blatantly false, there is a big chance of this happening, but it is not guaranteed”
Which is why I said “essentially guaranteed,” because the odds are so insanely high, the odds of it not happening is infinitesimally low…
“the odds of you winning the lottery if you buy half the tickets is 50%, if you buy all the tickets it is 100%. your chances of getting a honning chance if you hone 20 times is still 5%, it will never be 100%, every instance is a new chance on its own, it is not connected to the previous one.”
This is exactly what I mean by you using the most extreme edge case possible, to try and justify your stance.
YOU yourself brought up coin flips, which is a 50% chance each flip yes? But what you are failing to comprehend, is that each consecutive coin flip makes your odds go up, even though each flip technically has the same odds. If you actually did the math, the odds of rolling a 20-sided die, 100 times in a row, gives you a 99.4% likelihood of getting any number from 1 to 20. 1:20, aka, the same as a 5% chance.
Now go buy 100 lottery tickets and see if you win. The odds that you will are abysmally low and is essentially a guarantee you will not.
In summation, you can’t just use a single extreme edge case to prove your preposterous argument, because you are wrong and not basing it in logic, in any sense of the word. Statistics is about multiple cases, not a single one like you’re asserting for whatever reason. Just take the L.
not true, the chances of it happening or not happening is pretty much the same.
i mean someone 1 tapped 3 times in a row, that’s not a 5% chance according to how you think of chances,
“infinitesimally low” means it is a number as close to a 0 as you can.
what stance?
the stance of using an analogy that wasnt a 1:1 scale?
lmao
would you take a 50% coin flip to take all or double everything you own?
no
would you take a 5% chance of winning 10k dollars but losing 20 dollars?
maybe
how about a once in a life time offer for a 1% chance of winning 1 million dollars but losing 5 dollars?
well most definitely
the chances of you winning are getting low, but for some reason you dont see it “stupid” anymore because you gain more than you lose
so if somone says “betting your life savings on a 50% chance is a scam and you shouldnt do it” " somebody took the 1% 5 dollars and won the million dollar, but that doesnt make it less of a scam"
you cant say " no you idiot, that’s an even worse chance of winning, i have a 50% chance of doubling my networth"
because that would be idiotic because the person is talking that winning isnt guaranteed, be it 1% chance or 99% chance or 0.000001% chance
the idea of gambling itself is what i am discussing, not the chances of winning.
you are like the lottery winner who said " i bought 1 ticket and won, so no, they can be useful"
it doesnt make it less of a scam if you won that ticket on a 1:20 lottery or 1:20m lottery"
it is still a far fetched dream that may never happen.
for you it happened on 1st try, and there is a chance you fail every single one till you quit this game, or fail and have your actual % of winning being closer to 1%
if someone failing to get 1:20 20 times in a row is “infinitesimally low” then succeeding 3 times ina row should also be " infinitesimally low" and not be heard of since it’s just the exact opposite, but that’s not how statistics works.
your game doesnt say " oh he 1 tapped 3 times in a row, lets add the 57 chances to his upcoming tries" every single time you hone from now onward you still have the same 5% chance of succeeding
what are the chances of you 1 taping at the same time 7 other people from 2 different continents 1 tapping while 3 bots are getting banned and an rmt getting negative gold and someone writing a post on this forum complaining?
sounds ridiculously low, but that’s what happen in the world around you, just because i added random gibberish doesnt make your chance of 5% in that particular moment lower, it is still 5% but there is a bigger scenario % that you have a lower % in
same way for failing a thousand times in a row, it is just a bigger scenario % but your smaller % of 5% still applies every time you hone.
you do realize that the whole argument is just you not comprehending or being able to understand the concept of analogies? not the statistics or whatever
you just cant comprehend that someone can make a bigger or smaller analogy about what you are talking about.
saying a finger to a hand is like an eyelash to an eyelid isnt false because the finger and hand are clearly bigger.
saying blackjack, slots, lottery are all scams and you have a small chance of winning and gambling is bad isnt illogical because everyone of them has a different % of winning, only a robot would come up with such conclusion,
someone saying " the powerball is a far fetched dream, so you shouldnt participate in the state lottery"
the other person replying “bUt tHe pOwErBaLl hAs a mUcH LoWeR % Of wInNiNg, HoW CaN YoU MaKe sUcH An iDiOtIc aNaLoGy, ThEy aRe nOt eQuAl”
would be laughable at the least