from my understanding lost ark mods are desynced with amazon and are providing false/outdated information, or they are purposely deceiving players.
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Well the blue crystals always jump from 3K to 2.8K vice versa. And if you want to calculate it that way, pheons are 300G to 320G (something like that). So the change is very minor these days but I haven’t seen them at 9K (probably cause I’m a returning player.) But still it’s not comparable to what it used to be before botting started.
Class engravings and book were inevitable to drop cause people buy them once and they’re done with it. Deman drops and prices goes low.
I’m pretty sure (if I’m not wrong) class engravings uses to be around 30K gold close to launch. If you’re comparing current book prices to close launch book prices, you should compare current blue crystals prices to close launch blue crystals prices. I’m pretty sure blue crystals used to be around 1K then.
If the game is marketed as a free-to-play game, it should deliver. I’m not talking about buying gold but auction house is a huge part of the game. If they wanna keep end game behind a paid wall, at that point the whole game is not free to play and that changes the whole fundamental of the shop, pay for power situation, market and more and I’m pretty sure that never gonna happen.
Having a phone number authenticator on the base game will reduce the bots for sure. That’s why Korean version has it.
You mention two words, “new” and “impatient”
“New”: I’m not a new player I’m just returning but if I was, is it my fault that if I was going to play the game a month before this update I was going to be at 1460 faster? And now that I’m returning I’m out of luck cause it’s too late to catch up to other. New or returning players are a month short, if they weren’t they could be a lot ahead now. Making new players to be even slower.
“Impatient”: Well you just don’t know what the problem really is. You can’t make a game that players are so slow to progress and then offer them a pay-for-power way and then if they complain why is my progress slower than last week, you tell them “you’re impatient, wait a month for each of your characters” and after they’re done with their 3rd character (3 months later) they find out there’s new content and then they have to go back to their first character.
Don’t get me wrong, the current state of pay for power makes sense (sweet or bitter) cause this is a f2p game. But you can’t change what the current state was and make weaker and slower players even slower with this economy.
One guy said this nerf existed in Korea back in the days (true or false) but I’m pretty sure there was a heads up and or the economy wasn’t the same way it is rn in eu/na.
And as I said going from 1445 to 1460 actually take a long time, it’s because no one invites you to the “not much nerfed” raids to gain the gold you need and if you wanna get a bus, no one carry you for a cheaper price than the whole raid gold income. So you have to pay 1K extra and get no gold just to be able to get your relic gear.
So idk if you tried it but honing to 1460 takes a lot longer than you think. A LOT LONGER. Why break something that works? Believe it or not honing is not the only thing you spend gold on. Sure if it was only honing I would say it was okay but managing gold in 1460/1490+ is actually a lot more different.
People that are there by now have their accessories and rocks and a decent relic gear. So their only thing to watch is honing. But a character that reached 1445 “easily” as you say, don’t have anything, not a decent gear, good accessories. not to mention getting relic accessories need quality reroll as well and eventually upgrading. So honing is not the only thing.
You can tell me they need gold to get gear too, but they didn’t get nerfed, lower players did. My point is if you whole roster is passed 1460/1490, you can’t feel how lower players are feeling and struggling with as much.
So you are stuck in a loop of not getting invited and not being able to hone, untill eventually the 1K gold that you get from Argos and 1K gold that you get from valtan get you out of the situation. It take a lot, 2K raid gold and 3K una gold weekly and you have to get 22.5K for pheons (not mentioning rock. But I guess the free pheons go to that) 3K gold for relic gear, 300 for each tap on hone, crafting/buying fusion materials and if you’re lucky, the leftover goes to reroll quality.
“Pushing the whole roster to 1475” takes longer than you think.
And lastly (idk if I’m completely right with this) but I’m pretty sure in NA/EU smilegate is just the developer that provide their old work to amazon. Amazon puts things together, translate and publish them. So bot problems in NA/EU is not really smilegate’s problem, it’s amazon that should work it out since smilegate already figured it out in Korea. (I can be completely wrong about this)
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hmm, this mmo is quite new player unfriendly, if u are behind the pack, u will face many pitfalls, it is what it is
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WOW! TALK ABOUT SHITPOSTING,ASSUMPTIOINS and PROJECTING your sorry lil sad sack of a lIfe your way off on well everything u said unless your talkin about yourself OF COURSE (pretty sure you are). For one this is game feedback not a bridge for trolls so you dont belong here nobody wants you 2nd I was playin MMO’s before you could wipe your own ass i think its possible you still cant, I swear I can smell your troll stench but anyhow enough of that id say you misinterpret what your reading which makes you really dumb but i think you comprehend the problem atleast to the extent that there are problems and you like to distract everyone with your trolling instead of backing up the community u shill for the corp yup what a loser you are disposable bitch is what you’ve become awww.
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lots of good points here so i’ll try to address them to the best I can, If you need me to better explain something let me know. I’m gonna break down your response to make it easier to follow my trail of thought as I tend to jump arounda lot in thought.
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"Well the blue crystals always jump from 3K to 2.8K vice versa. And if you want to calculate it that way, pheons are 300G to 320G (something like that). So the change is very minor these days but I haven’t seen them at 9K (probably cause I’m a returning player.) But still it’s not comparable to what it used to be before botting started.’
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Just as you said botting did have a big impact on the market causing a lot of things to shoot up in price quite drastically like blue crystals, but from personal opinion I felt it also increased the price of class engravings, as well as, accessories & stones; but thats speculation on my part so I won’t ever know unless someone brings out the data.
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“Class engravings and book were inevitable to drop cause people buy them once and they’re done with it. Demand drops and prices goes low.”
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Exactly! This is whats currently happening as people have more fleshed out and established rosters & no longer need to buy the books. Like you said prices are bound to drop & I’d speculate them to drop a little more, especially for summoner, surge and artist engravings in the coming weeks/months. This was something that we already saw in other regions of the game before Na/Eu launch.
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“I’m pretty sure (if I’m not wrong) class engravings uses to be around 30K gold close to launch. If you’re comparing current book prices to close launch book prices, you should compare current blue crystals prices to close launch blue crystals prices. I’m pretty sure blue crystals used to be around 1K then.”
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I don’t think comparing the class engravings prices at launch and blue crystal prices as a proper analysis, one reason being that at launch we only had oreha hard & T2 abysal as gold income which correct me if i’m wrong was around 3k gold. We also have to take into account that most people didnt know of or understand the importance of blue crystals at launch. Furthermore, most of the gold we made as players was mainly selling GHL for a couple 1000s of gold to whales if we were fast enough to make it to 1370 early. Legendary books at this time were very rare and hard to obtain, think the only way to get them at this stage was anguished isle 2x pouch & the occasional drop. Pricing was mainly like this due to a lack of quantity as whales were buying them out & they were hard to obtain.
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When I made my comparisons of 6 months ago, I was mostly refering to around the time clown raid came out. When the market was in shambles due to the 5x3 craze and heavy gate keeping. We had bots farming throne spire and messing with prices, we had streamers advertising the power of their class & it was total chaos as book prices for different classes were shooting up all the time. It was also at this time that certain classes became very popular like striker which saw deathblow books go from 10k to 35k or more over just a few days in price.
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“If the game is marketed as a free-to-play game, it should deliver. I’m not talking about buying gold but auction house is a huge part of the game. If they wanna keep end game behind a paid wall, at that point the whole game is not free to play and that changes the whole fundamental of the shop, pay for power situation, market and more and I’m pretty sure that never gonna happen.”
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I think this post by me would better explain the point I wanted to make, Some changes I propose going forward from both the community & from AGS/SG . Hopefully this clears up my thinking a lot better than the 2 sentences I wrote on it here.
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“New”: I’m not a new player I’m just returning but if I was, is it my fault that if I was going to play the game a month before this update I was going to be at 1460 faster? And now that I’m returning I’m out of luck cause it’s too late to catch up to other. New or returning players are a month short, if they weren’t they could be a lot ahead now. Making new players to be even slower.”
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I think this game does a good job of helping new players develope a roster of alts and helps them push forward, I helped a friend of mine push to 1460 as he didn’t have time to do it himself and you can quite easily hit 1460 in 1-2weeks from starting. The gold given in the event pass is enough to get you there if you don’t buy materials off AH. He now has a 1460 main and 1445 alt. Ofc more alts would be better but in 3-4months we will probably get another powerpass and express story event and that is the time to add 2 more characters to 1445 and from there push them all to 1460.
It needs to be said & recognised that this game is not a sprint & is instead a marathon & if you come into it thinking you can hit the latest content in a month you will be gravely mistaken. This is just how the game is by design and coming and getting mad at us older players “saying we ruined it…etc”, we who had a harder time than most new players is just out right rude and disrespectful, as your content has been made easier so that you can catch up.
The push from Argos 1400 - 1445 took some of us 1.5-3months, while new players can do this in a day or two based on their luck & 8 days on average with all the events they are giving us.
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Argos and oreha give you free class engravings on accessories, and if you wanted to buy class a full set of accessories + class off the market this is at most 5k if it hasnt already dropped for you. Then you’re also given free gems from the event & free 4x3 engravings so that you can join raids and make a little gold first to gear yourself before pushing forward. I would say new players are given the tools needed to gear themselves properly especially since valtan HM only need 4x3 same with vykas. 5x3 only comes into play around clown or brel NM, something a new player shouldnt worry about in their first 1-2 months.
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“Having a phone number authenticator on the base game will reduce the bots for sure. That’s why Korean version has it.”
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Just noticed this, but this is a great idea but I just wonder how this will impact people in SEAS & OCE,JP,KR who play this game EU/NA version. Will the number be required to come from the US & EU or can it be anywhere in the world.
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““Impatient”: Well you just don’t know what the problem really is. You can’t make a game that players are so slow to progress and then offer them a pay-for-power way and then if they complain why is my progress slower than last week, you tell them “you’re impatient, wait a month for each of your characters” and after they’re done with their 3rd character (3 months later) they find out there’s new content and then they have to go back to their first character.”
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Having just leveled 3 different characters from lvl 1-50, one with story express, 2 without it. I can without a doubt say the 1-50 grind sucks and I wish we could just KT infinitely and for free.
But from 302-1100 you can do this in exactly 10days. 1 day to rohendel, 2 days to yorn. 2 day to feiton. 5 days to punika. If you wanted to speed this grind up you would need to do anguished isle each day, buy pirate ship materials, event shop, T1/T2 tower & do the T1/T2 islands for rewards. This can be tedious but you can have an entire roster of 1302 characters in 1-2 weeks on average, If we are looking at powerpasses and events this is even faster. You can even make some gold on T1/T2 abyssals in the process with the exception of procyeon sea. You also have access to challenge abysalls and guardians which is only further gold and materials. If you get a legendary card pack drop thats a minimum of 20k bid or around 6.66k for you alone to keep.
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You will get to a point in this game probably after brel hard where it is no longer viable time wise to push characters past a certain ilvl. I would even say 1472.5 is the best parking space until kaien gale comes out and we get the vykas gold nerf. Making 1520/40 the best parking spot. By then they will probably make it super easy to get to clown or brel normal with events, reduced honing costs…etc
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“Don’t get me wrong, the current state of pay for power makes sense (sweet or bitter) cause this is a f2p game. But you can’t change what the current state was and make weaker and slower players even slower with this economy.”
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I think the game now is much more open to new players and far faster and easier to catch up, the honing to 1445 is free, class engravings per book average 100g-4.5k. Most accessories are around 1-4k unless you’re going for max quality. I think most people dont realise how hard it was to progress to 1445 before these changes were made. AH prices were insane & honing took around 3-6months per character.
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On the topic of pay 2 progress even if this function wasnt in the game, players woud find ways around it by buying from bots or other players within the game itself like we see now. This is just how MMOs tend to go.
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“One guy said this nerf existed in Korea back in the days (true or false) but I’m pretty sure there was a heads up and or the economy wasn’t the same way it is rn in eu/na.”
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I think it was a douche move by SG or AGS for not telling us in advance but I think the change is a welcome one. I think it was also rushed out due to just how heavily inflated our markets are/were from all the bot driven gold and inflation. This seems like more a combatitive measure against bots with the release of the express to 1445 event.
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“And as I said going from 1445 to 1460 actually take a long time, it’s because no one invites you to the “not much nerfed” raids to gain the gold you need and if you wanna get a bus, no one carry you for a cheaper price than the whole raid gold income. So you have to pay 1K extra and get no gold just to be able to get your relic gear.”
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You can still get your full relic in 6 weeks by doing normal mode, you just need to create your own lobby on some regions.
As for the reason you’re not invited its simply cause most high end players are on a crunch to get 36 gates of raids done in 7 day + all the extras and they cant be wasting 5h + on 1 gates mechanics per character. Your best option is to make a learning party or progging party, there will always be players out there to help you. I spent 12h last week teaching G1-3 to a bunch of new players in normal vykas as I saw they needed help.
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I think busses are a scam and something that players just fall into unwillingly cause they don’t know better. I highly recommend you go around and try to make friends in the game or go looking for a group you can play with within certain discord communities. This will aleviate a lot of the pain.
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“So idk if you tried it but honing to 1460 takes a lot longer than you think. A LOT LONGER. Why break something that works? Believe it or not honing is not the only thing you spend gold on. Sure if it was only honing I would say it was okay but managing gold in 1460/1490+ is actually a lot more different.
People that are there by now have their accessories and rocks and a decent relic gear. So their only thing to watch is honing. But a character that reached 1445 “easily” as you say, don’t have anything, not a decent gear, good accessories. not to mention getting relic accessories need quality reroll as well and eventually upgrading. So honing is not the only thing.”
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I think these priorities are wrong, as a new player you should never be focused on rerolling the quality on your relic gear, this is something you do when you have excess gold and nothing to spend it on. The same goes with relic accessories, your priority is to get 4x3 or 4x3+1 not 5x3. A 6 6 stone is more than enough for a new player to gear up. 7-7 or 9-7 are just not realistic goals for a new player on a budget.
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“You can tell me they need gold to get gear too, but they didn’t get nerfed, lower players did. My point is if you whole roster is passed 1460/1490, you can’t feel how lower players are feeling and struggling with as much.”
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I think what is missed here is that the price of accessories was far higher back then then they are now as there was a much lower quantity of relic on the market. As an extreme example, My 99% quality eso 5 raid 3 atks 1 neck cost me 600k back then now you can find it for 180k sometimes. While now you can find cheaper examples like pin 5 gru 3 for 8k, this is something that would cost over 100k in the past…etc. The price of legendary and relic accessories are so cheap now that a 4x3+1 is more than doable in a week or 2 even with the gold nerf. My bard friend who joined joined the game just before the patch has 3 characters all 4x3+1 (brd 1460, glv 1445, db 1415), the reason he has 4x3+1 is because hes not trying to get the best quality of accessories or get a +12 engraving book cause he knows this is something he should be working towards and not rushing because of FOMO. He still gets accepted to pugs as well before saying that its cause he plays with us.
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“So you are stuck in a loop of not getting invited and not being able to hone, untill eventually the 1K gold that you get from Argos and 1K gold that you get from valtan get you out of the situation. It take a lot, 2K raid gold and 3K una gold weekly and you have to get 22.5K for pheons (not mentioning rock. But I guess the free pheons go to that) 3K gold for relic gear, 300 for each tap on hone, crafting/buying fusion materials and if you’re lucky, the leftover goes to reroll quality.”
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- At 1415 you make 3.4k from raids,
- At 1430 you make 3.8k from raids,
- At 1445 you make 5.6k from raids,
- You are then given 200-400g from gold & red portals a week in chaos dungeons per character,
- 1.5-3k gold from unas tokens
- Another couple 1000s if your guild does island raids and wins top 3.
Lets say you only play 2 characters 1445ilvl, you make around 15k a week excluding guild earned gold. pheon prices are currently around 9k gold for 30.
You are left with 6k this is enough to buy you 2 legendary accessories or 1 relic accessory or 3 relic ability stones with the left over gold.
You can even buy 11 lvl 5gems with this gold a week
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Whatever is left over should be held onto so that you can invest it into yourself next week. You can also make a little more gold on the side by selling chaos gate map rewards, unbound leapstones from guardians and leapstones from challenge guardians.
Quality is not something you should even concern yourself with as a new player, this is a gold sink that is targeted towards players who have nothing else to spend their gold on, you dont have that luxury.
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“Pushing the whole roster to 1475” takes longer than you think."
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This is ultimately your end goal before pushing to brelshaza once your roster is all 1460. With the honing nerfs this is far more achievable and would probably take around 3months to do for an entire roster if you pace yourself & budget accordingly. From here pushing to 1490 will probably take a little less time or the same amount of time.
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This got a little long so i’ve lost where I said this but although my roster is now mostly 1500+ that doesn’t mean I don’t know the struggles new players face. I’m sure its hard but I was once a new player too, ik what its like to be gatekept, what its like not being able to hone or afford anything, what its like to be class descriminated by or by roster level…etc
I was so poor back then that going into my first valtan hardmode I was only 3x3. I blew through 100+ chests of battle items and pots…etc spent 5months never having enough gold to buy potions or battle items or hone…etc
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If you ask me new players have it really easy now compared to starting at launch, I think the only thing that really needs to change is our mentality towards new players as a community and being more inviting and supportive of helping them grow and progress within the game. I think in KR (could be wrong) some people will give new players gold as a gift if they see the mokoko symbol above their head. I think whats really lacking here the way veteran players treat new players, rather than the options new players have to progress.
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“And lastly (idk if I’m completely right with this) but I’m pretty sure in NA/EU smilegate is just the developer that provide their old work to amazon. Amazon puts things together, translate and publish them. So bot problems in NA/EU is not really smilegate’s problem, it’s amazon that should work it out since smilegate already figured it out in Korea. (I can be completely wrong about this)”
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I’m not sure either, I thought SG does all the infrastructure, coding and developement and AGS just translates and uploads it, but im just as clueless as you on this.
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I hope this helps explain my points a little better from my first post, happy to further talk it out on certain points if you want.
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I understand what you say. We might not agree on all things but we atleast understand each other. Good talk.
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Its 6x15=90 pheons per character
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540 pheons +6stones
Its not nothing, i agree. Its cca 4 months of login rewards and event shopping
You are totally correct. The new cost reduction really helped for sure. It just sucks that with stones that price is very variable. I spent 126 phoens to get a single 7/7 relic stone the other day on a character. Used up all my saved pheons. Had to spend 20k gold to buy 100 more which wiped out a decent chunk of my saved gold I wanted to buy accessories with. Im mostly casual f2p these days so thats not an insignificant amount of time wasted on pheonsfor me.
It comes back to the point I was trying to make. The gold to crystal conversion rates are terrible and keep getting worse. The steps they are taking to fix the problems dont seem to be working and they do not give enough pheons for free in events for it to help anyone in a timely manner. It is making the situation worse for people who do not have time to play 6 alts every day or the desire to spend hundreds of dollars buying pheons to spend in the auction house.
preach!
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Another person who can’t stand that others can have an “easier” game when they start.
There is a real problem whether it is :
- In the measures against bots
- In the patches not adapted to Europe or the US
- In the growth of new players (I see it with a friend of mine recently)
- In the nerves of the golds while we don’t have the time of Korea to farm before the new raids.
And since you could not enjoy possible “nerf” of the difficulty of going up in the game, you prefer that the new ones suffer the same thing.
Except that in the end, Lost Ark will be like all the other MMORPGS that couldn’t overcome these difficulties to adapt and therefore will have a player base that won’t grow, that will only decrease and with only a few peaks the two weeks after the release of a big patch.
After a while, taking a step back is useful to avoid staying in a stuck vision.
We need other players to make the economy, builds and raids work, so we need to motivate them to eat whatever they have to do.
Forwarned is forearmed.
Have a nice day.
You clearly didnt read the whole argument.
When was i against new players catching up or having it easier?
Even with the gold nerfs new players have it much easier than what it was for us to do this as brand new content.
Thinking that the new player experience hasn’t gotten better is pretty alarming to me. It’s not 1000% perfect, but it’s way better than before, that’s for sure.
The gold nerf comes with it’s positves and negatives. Our argument is mostly focused on how more established players are reacting to the gold nerf and not new player. A new plyer wouldnt really care about the gold nerf, because they werent here when there was no gold nerf, and back then it wasnt as easy to catch up either.
Also, what im saying is evident by the large amount of new and returning players around.
you have to be smoking some of the good stuff
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play the game and you’ll see for youself lmao.
there are learning lobies in every raid on the party finder, argos is filled with new players and if u stand by a main town, you can see actual new players around.
And if u wanna ask more questions, ive been helping new players in Argos for a couple of weeks now and i can tell you frist hand that there are many new & returning players around.
Come play in EUW 
spent 1-2 hours sitting in prideholm yesterday while I was watching series on other monitor because I was curios about new players, saw like 2-3 mokokos (not inlcluding bots)
you can’t consider learning party new players lobby lol
People who have a learning lobby in Valtan Normal mode are what exactly?
you know there are people who play slowly and are not conformable with raiding and they can choose when they will start raiding? Show me one learning group with at least 4 mokokos and I will believe you
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oh so you base your whole argument on a very small percentage of potential people who are afraid to do entry lvl legion raids. Okey.
I would like to see you back up your “there is tons of new and returning players” argument.
And no, don’t tell me you can see them, because you can’t.
I will monitor the groups for valtan gate 1 normal now and let you know how many learning parties will I see, I am on EUC Kadan.
You were right look at this new players
Learning group valtan normal gate 1 with players 150+ roster level and 1450+ item level and leader 1538
Tons of new players
so you can see groups here, on picture 1; Utah disbanded his group because no one joined, if you look on the picture 2, you can see that after 15 minutes Wizmany group got 0 players while Momo group got 2 players, that’s not very good. The reality is there is negligible number of new players, I am not happy about it either but I won’t live in the fantasy land…
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Why would you go to a spot where you will find bots? what are you trying to prove t me? Yes if i go to a fishing area i will find bots too. Big brainer
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See, i was right about what i was saying, and this is during the time when you checked.
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why are you so negative? like i dont understand?