DI Shadowhunter - Optimal relic set and 5x3

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Hello there !

I’m a 1480 SH playing demonic impulse, and I’m looking to optimize my build and use a 5th engraving.

From the tests I’ve been running on Trixion, it seems that the DPS gap between hallucination set (DI 3, KBW 3, Adrenaline 3, Grudge 3, Raid captain 3, 1600 spec, 450 swiftness) and salvation set (DI 3, KBW 3, Adrenaline 3, Grudge 3, Hitmaster/cursed doll, 1600 spec, 450 crit) is very little.

In other words, and taking into account that testing DPS in Trixion is not the same as a real fight againt a boss, I was not able to determine which relic set and 5th engraving to go, based only on DPS.

As I see things, I have to run DI 3, KBW 3, Adrenaline 3, Grudge 3. No question here, its mandatory.

But I really can’t decide about the last one (RC, HM or CD…).

Any advice from my SH friends ? What did you do and why ?

Thanks in advance and sorry for the bad english, its not my native language.

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Cursed doll would be the one that give you the most dmg. But it has a downside so I would go for hit master in your case

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For engravings, I would prioritize CD over KBW first personally. But you could make that your 5th and be fine if you’re already working on 5x3 with KBW in mind.

Personally, I’ve been using hallucination, but I’ve been thinking of switching to the entropy set actually.

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I tested for several hrs before updating my main. As results:

  1. is it spec/crit or is it spec/swift?

Running hallucination should be done on a spec/swift build. You shouldnt take into consideration kr meta as they have set bonuses lv2 and bracelets with extra stats. Altho there they all run swift mostly, we re not with the means to do the same.

  1. under a spec/crit build, poem is superior by far. That also includes the fact you do have crit sinergies in raids with teammates, so the difference in crit rate is partially covered.

As far as emgravings go:

-demonic
-adrenaline
-keen blunt
-grudge

Should be your 4 main ones. To which adding a 5th.

-cursed doll, hit master have the same dps output. Should be between 4.2m and 5m on a 1480 SH in full poem. Depends on quality of weapon and jewelry.

WARNING: cursed doll is still the best option, altho it starts performing better at higher weapon level. No doubts that with ancient and brelshaza out it s gonna be the top choiche.
Right now, considering you ll have to change relic with ancient, id advice hit master for a half cheap build and same dps.

  • raid captain was used with the same spec/crit but adding 500 extra swiftness to simulate support buff. Its dmg is lower in any istance with poem. Im sure it gets better using hallucination, but i dont think it s worth considering the avg price.

Concluding, hit master would net you the highest dps with the cheapest combination. At least with eu prices and going crit/spec and poem.

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Keen blunt is kinda mandatory considering demon skills typology.

Entrhopy is useless on demonic as there is mo back attack skill.

Cursed doll starts overshadowing hit master from +24/25 weapon up, and not even by far.

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oh i guess you’re right, must’ve missed that effect on set bonus when I looked at it

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2 pieces is 55% crit dmg on back attacks

4 pieces is 17% crit

6 pieces is 21% (?) dmg on back attacks.

Works for front attacks too.

Doesnt work with hit master classes.

On demonic it will only boost the back attack human form skills

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Thank you so much for that answer (thanks everyone else aswell, this is just the most detailled answer !)

I think I’m going to stay with salvation, replace raid captain by KBW and add HM, since it has the same dps output without the -25% heal of CD.
I really need to buy good accessories though, because I suspect that having 1600 spec (I have 1488 right now) will be a huge dps increase. The price is insane though…

Thanks again !

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If you still need a leg book i suggest keen blunt.

While everyone is going for grudge, the effect is that grudge gear dropped significantly in price, expecially +5 pieces.

While keen blunt combined with spec and adrenaline/demonic and the rest have still insane pricing.

Id suggest demonic/keen at 12. That will allow you to buy a hit master-impulse 4/3 ring being the cheapest option prolly on any server, and still retain 5x3 with a 7/6 stone. Any other combo with class engr dont expect be under 35k even for a 4/3

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it’s better to go DI, Grudge, KBW, Adrenaline, CD and later with ancient stuff switch CD with RC?

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This maybe going to be unpopular but: I run swift/spec neck with hallucination set. Crit/spec with salvation has higher theoretical ceiling, BUT swiftness makes everything smoother, attacking, dodging, running away… Cooldowns! 3 blood massacres per rotation and it allows you to use raid captain which is one of the better dmg engravings (18% dmg, no negatives).
Few general things:

  • get quality on neck/earrings as high as possible, every point spec is %dmg. Look at the numbers in inventory, 250 more spec is almost like getting a full dmg engraving.
  • save some money for a dmg gem. Lvl 9 compared to lvl 7 is like half a dmg engraving.
  • you don’t need grudge. I run DI, raid cap, keen blunt (75%crit), hit master, Adrenaline. No reason to gimp yourself with negative stats while you can still improve your dmg a lot with better gems, more spec, card set… You get grudge when there is absolutely nothing else you can do to improve dmg. Which for me will probably be with brelshaza ancient accessories. Then you switch hit master with grudge for that last 4% more.
    We have it good, other classes have to take grudge because there are no good options. We have them. Use it to your advantage.
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