Even if these two stats did work, it doesnt seem like any build for any class actually uses them. They should just be reworked into one stat that gets put on armor.
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The discussion regarding whether Expertise and Domination is a viable combat stats is another topic. The thing is, is that they just plainly doesn’t work.
Domination actually have a pretty good buff. If you put in 800 in it you are already getting 50% damage to debuffed enemies and it’s really not hard to have an enemy getting a 100% debuff uptime since every dps class have their own debuff tripod + support debuff.
And in T3 I remember there’s a set of armor that gives you 350 domination as a buff and if you are investing 800 into domination you are getting a total +70% damage buff to debuffed enemies.
Now again i’m not here to argue which one is better +30% crit rate or +50% damage buff, but the problem here is that the latter straight up doesn’t work ,for unsuspecting people they just lose 50% of their damage.
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True. If the skills straight up just dont work then that is a pretty glaring issue.
dude those are pvp stats, are u gonna use it on random mobs that you can CC when you actually one shot it with 1 skill ? It doesnt work on boss cause you cant cc it. Now, are u gonna use domination only when you put down a boss for few seconds ? Its completly useless. Those are pvp stats but since nothing beat swiftness in pvp, they are not really usefull anywhere. But who knows, maybe some classes will be able to use it in futur.
Domination :
Damage to Pushed or Debuffed foes + x %
Damage to Dealt to Staggered foes + x %
Now question for you, can you apply debuff on boss?
yes you can but kind of debuff are they talkin about there, nothing accurate to say. If you apply weakness for example with ur deathblade, if you dont see any damage difference, that means, its not the kind of debuff that works with domination
Tested this again on Paladin debuff
The +10% damage taken for 12s that is applied by Godsent Law and Holy Explosion doesn’t work with domination.
So right now we have so far 3 types of debuff
- Rune debuff ( doesn’t work )
- Tripod debuff ( doesn’t work )
- Paladin debuff ( doesn’t work )
Might need some help if someone here have a bard class to test the debuff +% damage that might work?
domination 100% works
i belive when domination says “debuff” it specifically is referring to level 3 cc’s such as freeze or electrocute.
likely could be a difficulty with it’s translation but i believe that’s what they mean when they say debuff and they don’t mean literally any debuff.
correct
debuff in LA = tier 3 CC (stun,freeze,electrocute), not “debuff effects” like burning etc
% to pushed foes = knocked up or knocked down
% to staggered foes - self explanatory but it generally sucks
bosses can’t be pushed or debuffed so domination will not work, which is why domination is only good in chaos dungeons/normal mob zones and pvp because you can knock those down then do combos
ye which is why awakening skills which have debuff immunity will allow you to super armor through anything
which also makes domination mostly useless in pve as most things that don’t die in 1 hit are going to be immune to the level 3 cc’s so you won’t get the damage bonus.
but it’s a great stat in pvp where those cc’s are used and getting that damage bonus is very noticeable.
no
domination is great for pve actually depends on class and build - on deathblade you can run swiftness/domination to wipe normal mobs faster if you play surge, since spec on surge is mostly useful for the identity which overkills mobs hp anyways. chaos dungeons/cube/tower= swift/dom
dom is good for pushed damage anyways not debuff
guardians/bosses/single target = main spec which would be spec/crit
ye i meant moreso in the boss fight scenarios, it can be useful in chaos dungeons (tho i’d prefer just slotting in preemptive).
but yeah you’re right.
Ahh i see, so it’s just that the tooltip is a bit misleading? I’ll mark this as a solution thank you for the clarification
yep, it’s more like that it’s a korean translation so is a bit more confusing.
not the first game i’ve played that was talking about cc’s when it said debuffs though so only reason i really thought about it so i totally get any confusions about it and there isn’t really anywhere in game that does explain this very well.
but ye no problem
yeah it’s kinda stupid to name debuffs as stuns, but that’s the way it is, really confusing
if you actually want to test domination, test it on a normal mob in trixion…use knockdowns or stuns and see the diff
well people answered, obviously it was another kind of debuff, but anyways, its not pve stats at all, just dont try anything with it and build ur characters correctly with crit/spe/swiftness and endurance for some classes
you should change ur title btw
Thanks for the clarification.
I knew that Domination and Expertise are PvP stats sort of and the confirmation helps even more.