the same argument still stands tho, the creators of the game have said like the third time they will not add a DPS meter.
it’s like going to a ice cream guy and keep asking him for a burger.
the ice cream guy does not want to sell burgers, he wants to sell ice cream, because that is what he decided to do.
if you are still going to complain to him that he ain’t selling you a burger instead of going somewhere else then it’s just a you problem at this point.
But for good uptime the only thing you need to improve is your knowledge of the boss.
A DPS meter how gonna help with that? This is a genuine question, because I dont understand.
Because you dont have a metric to see if you have indeed learnt the boss patterns properly and you have enough uptime.
i might be thinking im doing optimal dps, but how do i know that?
A DPS meter can give you that info.
Only in hell mode in my opinion you can tell if you are keeping up your uptime, because everyone is on equalised grounds and they can tell how much they progress with the boss hp bars (as in when mechanics occur, or how close to enrage you are).
Maybe I’m overthinking this, but I have 2 eyes. I SEE when I have bad uptime.
I dont think I’m special but maybe this is a question between experienced players and MMOPRG newbie.
Summoner and Berserker both literally share the same problem as Igniter Sorc - long animations
I see no difference. Ofc a control glaivier will have an advantage.
But still, good job, at least you know your rotations unlike them
the problem with dps meter is that makes people toxic
using it for yourself sure
but nobody uses it for themselves
they always compare to each other and then can decide on kicking people despite those people covering their required dps output and doing the mechs
basically it gives people a reason to be assholes
threre are few design choices why dps meters are not intended to be used
1 is hell modes
your dps readibility is intended to be gauged based on the timer and mechs happening
so you put breakpoints for mechs and if you meet them you are good if you are don’t you are slow
then you try to optimize towards those breakpoints and if the party just can’t meet them despite optimizing thats a reason to disband
guardians
there is no health bar
your gauge for being fast or slow is how quickly they trigger their mechs
you have a timer and set in stone mechs that happen at specific breakpoints
basically SG have said
look at the boss
listen to the boss
do the mechs
your secondary objective is to do it faster
a dps meter doesn’t help because in some gates some people are just boned
g5 the person who stays out does not do any dps
if you are stars you don’t do any dps
if you have to drop meteors you don’t do any dps
the bosses regularly tell you to stop what you are doing and go do something else
the game itself is not a trixion dummy and dps is irrelevant
well at least until g5 hard brel dps was irrelevant
people spend minutes not hitting the boss which is wild
Ambush 3, there is your problem with that berserker. He should not be running it since it only affects some of his damage skills, not all. KBW is better for a zerker. He probably also got hit more than you and didn’t have max stacks as long as you did.
Possible but still 1540 Glaivier with +17 weapon vs 1580 with +20 weapon.
Last week in Brel NM G4 was the same I got cruel fighter with my Glai (mvp was a Igniter Sorc with 1560) and other 1560+ characters where not in the MVP screen or only with upright.
We all know that Control Glaivier can be good but vs the OP classes and vs higher geared with +20 weapons she should have no chance to make cruel fighter in an 8man raid (6dps man raid)
ye i have these 5 on my control too, and dont happy with performance. truth is i am only 1460, but it seems low dmg in compare with combat readiness or loyal companion
If everyone asked the icecream guy for a burger don’t you think he may consider offering one.
I like ice cream and i like burgers why not offer both. You don’t seem to understand
It doesn’t make people toxic. Those people are toxic regardless.
What it does do is make people accountable. Did you buy a bus to your title and don’t know how to dps the boss adequately? Are you 1580 but do 70% less damage than everyone else. If that’s not you then you have nothing to be worried about. This is not about calling people out but spotting the imposter that’s holding your group back.
ie it makes people toxic
There is other way to improve your dps - it’s Prokel in Trixion.
I had DPS Pala (1500) with high swiftness and wasn’t easy to be very effective with dmg-uptime. I kept played a lot and my time record is getting better. So I got 2-3 minutes faster, that’s hugh improvement.
The players were baffed, when I was done with Prokel before the last mech outside came.
That’s one of examples. I sent every class to Prokel Training and it helped me a lot to get effective with dmg-uptime and experiment dmg skills/gear bonus/engravings, too.
Because it’s his choice…
Make your own store and sell the burger yourself.
Sure you can keep asking but he has no obligation to listen to it.
So I’mma go waaaaaay back from when I was playing FFXI
And back then there were scripts to run on jobs for gear changes for your characters (instead of pressing a macro that had a huge delay), easier way to cast spells and abilities (again instead of a macro with a delay), DPS meter along with a bunch of other QoL things the base game never had (shout outs to Windower, god I feel old)
And you know what the golden rule was?
Don’t ask, don’t tell
If SE didn’t know you had it, it never existed and you could continue using it as long as it wasn’t blatant cheating or used for griefing (which could be done as well)
If you used that shit, aight, that’s cool
But don’t talk about it in game and sure as hell don’t talk about it in their official forums that were linked to your account
That’s the whole point of this DPS meter thing
I agree they are a good tool to use for yourself
However you and I both know 100% the moment they become “legal” they will be used to gatekeep even further, because that’s how this community functions
Almost like a wolf in sheep’s clothing mentality it looks like
“Look it helped my “friend” in this one instance so we need to totally make them legal to use so I can keep all the scru- I mean improve my play greatly”
Don’t ask, don’t tell wouldn’t exist with this community and everyone knows it
I would really like a dps metter individually. Apart for the trixion one, cuz that one is not even close to how a boss would do in a real fight. It;s mostly a watered down version.
I dont need to see what dmg another lplayer does in a guardian raid, i need to see my dmg and that MVP screen is a dumb choice.
I’ve had Supports get MVP screen, simply because they had more stagger and counters then everybody else, but dmg wise - not even a lick.
Waiting for Roxx to come close this Dps meter thread 
. It’s already been said and done. Rules are rules, you break it you lose it. There aint no options cause if there is, imagine how much the community will try to control AGS.
What exactly is the issue with gatekeeping someone who is not contributing even close to their fair share in damage or support?
Why is it everyone’s responsibility to carry others?
This must be a vector of improvement for sure. If you don’t know your crit rate how can you improve ???
Do you really need to smell and see your shit to know that you’ve just poo’d ?
I mean you can give a lot of argument for DPS meter and I know that if dps meter was a thing, some people would get hard broken illusion about their own DPS relative to other one. But stop with the argument “it helps me improve” that’s bullshit. If you are in a mindset where you want to improve, you don’t need dps for that, and on the other hand if you are too entitled/illusionned about your own performance, having a dps meter will not help you getting better, if anything it will probably make you an even worst player.
Improving is all about mentality, if you are not improving it’s not DPS-meter that will help you with that.
PS : I don’t mind dps metter, if anything I’ll use it to kick player who are not performing well, if I could use it freely. That’s the only usefullness of it.
If someone is good and knows they’re playing optimally, they want it to see who’s dead weight looking to get a free bus.
When you know you’re pumping out damage and you’re going to hit enrage timer in an 8man non-bus… some people are just running around trying to stay alive and not attacking lol. Which has been evident in HM G5-6 groups… which is why people have been using it there.
No reason to be toxic about it or expose self, but especially when you’re pugging it’s good to know so you can dip or get rid of them and every other person’s time isn’t being wasted by people who aren’t pulling their weight and probably know they aren’t.
There’s people out there consistently doing like 5% damage in 8 man content. This isn’t a 25 man raid with 20 DPS… Lol