Okā¦ well this " main " that you saved enough mats for to insta push to 1520ā¦ doesnt have enough gold for a 5x3? What about level 8-9 gems? Tripods? Books? No? Thats weird. Decline.
Why? You dont have a relic set, if you do its set level 1. Other people above meet the listed citeria. If my reaper ruthlessly faced it, your summoner can kick rocks. Dont claim its you " life long dream to be a summoner main " (as an example you listed obviously) and then cheap out on everything. You had nearly a year to saveā¦ you didnt need to +25 that alt you had. Right?
well, have you checked the prices for accessory with summoner class engravings?
Like going 4x3 with class engraving is ok. Going 5x3 will cost you maybe 700k gold for low quality.
And yes i have lvl 9 gem on Akir. Tripods are lvl 4,
Did you check the prices for other classes? Scouter? Reaper? Destroyer? Its been the same. The difference isā¦ you are now on the receiving end and its not enjoyable. I mean reaper dropped what, like a month and some change before summoner? It wasnt much different, and still isnt to this day.
Do i agree with it? No, i actually hate it. It only pushes more and more players away. Do i want to be jailed for hours? No, definitely not. Do i have sympathy for new releases? Kind of, howeverā¦ how many other classes got shit on? A lot. How many other people had to hold off hitting +23 on their " alts " and save for their prospective mains? A lot. It seems to be a resource management issue. Making roughly 100k a weekā¦ you could have had over 3 million gold saved for summonerā¦ not including busses, good drops, events, etc.
Again, i dont disagree that its ridiculous at this point. However, understand why a support wouldnt apply to a minimalist dps party. Some do, most do not. It is what it is.
If you think summoner is badā¦ god help the people actually waiting to play artist. Theyre going to be hit so hard, child protective services will most likely step in.
Oh, you mean the supports that are āboringā and ānot neededā, the āthey should delete rolesā, or the āwhy do i need a support when i can make a 4 dps pt and finish fasterā? Those supports?
personally as a bard (1540 5x3 bard) main, I get more satisfaction from dropping an amazing rhapsody that saves someones life then seeing a big damage number on my surge deathblade alt.
I donāt know about 5/3 not really a big difference with a 4/3 but all I can say is that I play bard too and I enjoy saving players. I even join Normals nowadays just to help lessen the gatekeep.
But Iām only one man and my gunslinger foraging mushroom is getting gatekeepā¦ all Iām saying is that gate 1 and 2 is super easy for pugs with no support as long as they are willing to pay consumables.
The only reason why support might be mandatory for gate 4 is to skip one of the kill mechanics. It makes raids āeasierā and cheaper.
Itās funny watching ppl complain about gatekeeping then wanting to structure their parties in the most optimal way possible. If you donāt like gatekeeping be the change you want to see, start making lobbies and accepting anyone.
runes with defense values and shields (Protection and Iron Wall)
for damage amplifiers
Dark Grenades.
I think it is more than enough. The problem is we have a standard in NA/EU no ā5/3ā damage values, no supportā¦ no group. Everything damage it is a āspeed runā wait for all things to be perfect for a whole hour just to clear it.
Easy, you create a support for Kakul, you find a group that can do DPS/Support rotations and everyone will be happy. But to achieve all this, you need to have a brain and attention, the most difficult thing in this situation is knowing how to use it.
Then hone up, but noooo why would you? Better to be rainbow stats, minimum item level with low gems dps complaining no support wants to join.
Imagine that!
Thats actually a very interesting ideaā¦ why the heck hasnāt a team of designers at AGS not thought about this?
Since support heals/shields/buffs are party specific, not raid wide or global, if you donāt have a support (identified as someone with Blessed Aura or Desperate Salv engravingsā¦Iād imagine easy enough for devs to code for) then your party may use unlimited healing pots.
That puts us in a much better position. Sure, that party is still hampered by the gold cost of health pots, but at least the raid can progress with less of an issue of survival.
I think the game is designed to run 1 support in a 8-raid. Support party has high dps low survival class (sorc gs db etc) so they need the shields. Since thereās only 3 dps, they need +dps buffs. Other party should be tanky dps (des arti scrap etc) so they take low damage and only needs pots, and since theres 4 of them they have good dps also. So the ratio of support to non is 1:7, about the same as number of support classes to dps (with artist included).
I mean whatās the point of tanky dps if they also need a support? Destroyers get a shield with every other attack, and has a time-stop like skill. Gunlancers just have a perma-shield. Demonics heal with every transform, and they do it alot in a single fight. Arti has itās own shield skill. If these classes need more defense on top of what they already have, theyāre not really good players, or cheapos with pots.
