KR’s best lol, DIZGUZTANG!
Pesky twitch kids and their meme’s. Tell him to get off your lawn next!
O wait … I actually find it hilarious.
1 x 5, the person speaking on then said “oh ok 50%”… where in the world does 1 x 5 = 50%?
I think he was on the same wavelength well enough to recognize that when the other guy said 1 x 5, he meant to say 1.5, and translated that as +50%.
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“P2W originaly has in mind, that you can cash for an advantage over other players, like buying a weapon with 20% better stats exclusively for real money and that is not realy the case in LostArk.”
That is exactly how it works in LA. You pay and you can upgrade your wep to levels a free player cant. IE, upgrade wep so it gives 20% more stats. They were just clever and didn’t put the wep directly on the store. instead just the upgrading materials to give you that same advantage.
Everyone should watch this video before even start talking about what they think p2w is. P2W was a term that refer to advantages in pvp, but since mobil games got more more relevant, the monetization got more and more complex, the term P2W shifted more and more to every game with simply a cash shop. It comes down to what we get in the cash shop and how expensive it will be to just buy everything instead of spend hours of times to get it. This video shows pretty well how companies manipulate players in spending money.
The beta showed me pretty well how fast u can snowball yourself up to be the first one clearing all the content in the first time gate and have better gear than every f2p player. How is this equalizied? We will see when they announce prices. The game is technically P2W, we just don’t know yet how much P2W.
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This is by no means an excuse, but the vast majority of games not only MMO’s have these pay to advance quicker features. Hell even Ubisoft throws that shit into their Assassins’ Creed games…
I am not saying it is right in the slightest but that is how the gaming industry has shifted.
Your friends will not find a MMO that doesn’t have things like this really anymore. Perhaps FFXIV? I would say New World but that is a shit show.
That’s why instead of pretending and doing mental gymnastics, people just need to come at terms with it and that all.
Like I will play LA, will toss some $$ at it and I won’t go ahead deluding myself that it does not offer major power advantages for people who spend $$.
Yes it’s 2k21, can’t have it all, something has to give.
I like Korean players mindset about it, they don’t go this bullshit denying reality - they just say, yeah and so what - it’s a hobby it’s ok to spend some $$ for a hobby. Life’s unfair.
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My mindset is if someone wants to drop 20-100k on a game to be number 1 let them. They are funding the game far more then I can and giving it longevity.
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Minus the part where their ability to spend and outperform you … invalidates any sort of achievements in the game you might make. If anyone can buy it, it holds no value.
world first … “best player” ect … none of those things matter if you can pay money to upgrade gear.
So the gains in game longevity you might reap from having that funding, is immediately invalidated because in doing so, you have destroyed all sense of gear progression and competition.
This is exaclty why pvp and hell modes are gear equalized. Ok … but what about the other 99% of the game you blew up in the name of profits?
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Bruh, just responding to let you know you’re 1000000% right. Every time I make this same argument on the LA subreddit, it gets downvoted into oblivion. Copium at its finest.
I play on the RU server and it’s obvious within mere hours of being level 50 that this game is not only objectively P2W, it’s also fundamentally P2W. They make everything in the game such a slog that you’ll either end up spending real money or no-lifing on alts for years to come. It’s as P2W as any other game because trading RMT for power is 99.9% of all P2W games.
Also, “BuT WhAt dO yOu WiN?” is the most ignorant and braindead response in this entire debate. As if to say you can’t win in a video game without competitive metrics or human opponents. This is all just willful, stubborn ignorance and gaslighting.
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Ah, the usual copium soaked excuse… “Pay2skip”… “Pay2progress”.
Please, do continue explaining how it’s not p2w, it’s mildly amusing.
It’s like, whom are you even kidding, mate?
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It’s not a matter of opinion, though, and this is the problem. People don’t seem to understand that P2W in LA isn’t some sort of abstract concept. It is definitively, and inarguably, P2W. If LA isn’t P2W, then no game is P2W, because purchasing power through RMT is the fundamental P2W mechanic in 100% of P2W games.
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i can’t blame players getting mad over the cash shop since they have been burned by so many other games who went full p2w
Pretty much this, anything else is just copium and mental gymnastics.
And I don’t even understand why people jump out of their skin to defend it - it’s in every poster’s best interest here to cap and reduce the existing P2W aspects of Lost Ark for the Western launch.
That’s why Amazon already did some changes, but those are not enough. I, personally, came to accept that P2W systems are so tightly integrated in Lost Ark that it would be impossible to be rid of them to any significant extent - it does not mean, however that I should be jumping out of my skin trying to make something shitty look like diamonds.
The game is good, but its monetization schemes are not in the slightest. It’s not a “sacrilege” to want to improve those to make the game better.
You don’t need to worry, Amazon will have more than enough $$ even if they reduce it a tad or/and add some reasonable caps.
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Not only do P2W mechanics not offend me, I absolutely love Lost Ark and play on the RU servers. I have already purchased the Platinum Founder’s Pack for NA/EU launch, as well, and I occasionally spend money on the in-game cash shop to try things out.
But this is why you all lose this argument every time. You can’t stay focused on the facts and instead resort non sequiturs and ad hominem attacks.
If the game was totally new then I would agree with you. But it starts with that feeling of accomplishment. I don’t know if I will ever have that feeling in LA. I haven’t played in other regions but I’m not sure if really everything is only possible with player skill. The players will not be equal when it comes down to progress and knowledge. Maybe it was fine to have pay 2 progress in KR or RU but a lot of people will already know everything in the game and with the option to cash, I think the game will never give anyone the feeling that they accomplished something in the game, while other players just rush trough everything. I had already people in my group in beta that complained that I didnt know the dungeon mechanics…?
I wish I could start a game like Tera, Aion or WoW in the early days, where we all just started equal, but that will sadly never happen again, because everything is more profitable than p2p. And we as players ruined that for us, so everytime a new game comes out, a small percentage of players will cry about p2w while the other 99% of players either don’t care or never voice their opinion. So yes, it doesn’t matter if we go onto the forums and complain, but here we are.
Where? Just where is the P2W?
It’s a PVE Game, the PVP part is 95% normalized.
Every single player in the game has access to all the areas, there isn’t one single area where a person whose pay can enter and who’s is F2P cannot enter.
Who doesn’t have the time of F2P players will buy to progress fast and who’s doesn’t spend money will progress normally not slow, it’s a choice based on time people can spend.
I will say it again, for me F2P players who want to stop who spend money and progress a little fast, just a little, look like envy people than other things. I don’t understand the ENVY here, you will play the game more time and enjoy more than 90% of Walles, what is the problem here?
Envy because you play 10h a day and who’s can play only 2 is in the same content? This is a cooperative game, there isn’t any rank of best players or best damage dealer. That guy you are envy or don’t like to be in the same content that you are at the moment probably will be the guy that you help you kill that MF Boos Raid you are struggling to kill.
Game it’s a business, if people cannot buy for convenience in a F2P Game, is better AGS give up, because this is a immense game and it’s not a charity business.
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If you pay you can play the game 3 days earlier than people that do not pay. That’s kind of pay to win, but I understand why they do it. Server load will be insane and everyone starts in the same area…
I do not agree with this statement. For me, this 3 days is just a Character Creation name save, 3 days in this game is nothing, the amount of content in this game, if you want to do a full account completion even in Tier One you have content to over a year, the map completion of adventure book is insanely hard to finish, the Una’s Quest has Tiers, you will need do many times each one to really finish it and get the reward of each one 3 to 4 times to really finish Una’s Quest(each day you get the daily reward but you need like 5 times/days to get the 1st tier reward of 3 or 4 tiers) you are doing and so on so forth. 3 Days in this game for people with jobs and children’s is like level a char to lvl 50 and do some little things and this game will start after lvl 50, the leveling up process to 50 is simply a big starting tutorial, the tier one and two is a middle tutorial and Tier 3 is the actual game if you do an abstraction analyze of the game, but do not misunderstand what I am trying to say, everything in my opinion except the leveling up process until lvl 50 is EPIC, just this painful leveling up process is BROKEN to me, is boring as hell, that’s why this time I will have just one char for at least 6 months, I do not want Burnout again because many chars/alts.