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If you are luck, have the material in hand, find groups willing to teach you the Legion raids, and you get at least one character on tier 3.
I’d say two months, minimum.

Why? Game gatekeep you from obtaining the relic set.
Every week you get enough for one part (if you finish valtan hard 1445), you need 3 parts.
Irrc you get a small boost in honning percentage when you get a relic part.
After 1460 you will be able to do Vykas hard, that’s the other 3 parts.
Some sets have 4 parts as Vykas material, some, and the weapon is quite expensive too.

Now, considering you manage to reach valtan hard with the express event, you will still be gatekeep by the community, because you are on the cap for the content, meaning, you will lose hours just trying to get into a lobby.
And if you push over for 1460, you will be gatekeept harder in Vykas.

Let’s assume you manage to overcome both, and now you have the relic set, you need to upgrade it by doing kakul, people often ask for the boxes containing the material to upgrade, if you find a static, you may get one box every time it’s your turn, plus some from the raid, adds another two months of raiding.

You will finall, after 4 months (or two if you skip Clown) , reach abrelsbud/brelshaza, there you will get another relic set, which uses a other new material, becoming easier to upgrade.
Maybe next month or the one after, we will get brel hard, which will give us another set rarity, and that’s where everyone is at.

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With the double reward system in place for Valtan and Vykas you can get the full set in 2 weeks now no matter the set. Helps new chars a lot.

Would be lovely for Clown too since dps get gatekept for lvl. 2 quite often and Clown takes minimum 5 weeks excluding bid boxes. Often enough longer since getting into G1-3 groups with 1475 chars is…a challenge.

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Sometimes, I feel like I’m wasting my time with this game.
A simple implementation made the game a whole lot easier and probably fun for new players.
If I download this again next year, maybe we will get enough QoL to actually enjoy the game.
One chaos/guardian a day, humanly possible to reach 1600 to participate in all raids, less bs mechanics, and so forth.

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1 chaos/gr a day, not happening. My deputy gm quit after 1 yr :slight_smile:

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People come in here only to complain that doesnt mean the majority of the playerbase hates the game.

Also, why do you have to listen to what others say? if you so far enjoying the game, keep playing it.

This is why i have said time and time again that making the forums so toxic is only working against the community, but nobody listens to me as usual.

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Funny thing is, they are so adamant about “Localizing the game” and censoring everything.
But they can’t see that everyone besides the Koreans likes the hard grind, this must’ve been a localization oddity from our version of the game.

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So, do you think the game would have given us half of the things they gave if we weren’t as loud as we are? Should we just accept actions taken against the player progression because we must discuss only “happy things”?
I’m not liking anyone boots because they gave us the game, I just want a game where I don’t feel like something is really wrong.

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When did i say that you are not allowed to post your criticism ?

I am not talking about healthy feedback, im talking about the people who comment doomposts all day, people who take everything negatively, people who don’t play the game , but are still in the forums to troll.

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There will be trolls everywhere, maybe some are players who wished for the game to be better because they liked it.
People sometimes don’t know how to express themselves.

Pretty sure most are just trolls waiting for the next big hit to doom it all over again.

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One thing i have to say for you is to find a guild that is willing to help you learn legion raid, you would begin going into this once you finish punika and hit ilvl 1415 to upgrade your gear. Seeing how normal is somewhat dying or probs even dead now for just a reclear, it will be tough for you to get into a party (ngl this is where the struggle is mostly tbh). Tbf there will be a bus here and there maybe, but those require gold, and you might not be able to manage your gold well if you plan to take bus every week if you are a f2p player, since you will also will have to focus on honing, recent change does nerf the cost for lower ilvl honing, but you still require a bit amount of rng to succeed, and from there on, the route is pretty much the same once you reach the min ilvl for the next legion raids. So have yourself to find people to play and willing to let you learn these raids.

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Absolutely, i know that the raids are not for everyone and if you dont get any kind of enjoyment from them, you dont have to do them. But its really hard to try and make the decision about liking them, if you havent tried them, in OP’s case.

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Wait up, it’s part of the game progression.
To participate in Rowen’s pvp you need to be 1490, which is impossible without relic sets, which is only obtainable via Legion hard raids.
And it’s going to get worse with the release of new continents, story progression, islands, horizontal content, etc.

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bus for your set, and hone from there lol. And rowen as progression/new content is a bit of a silly claim

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It’s the example I have live at the game right now.

Edit: about the bus, never supported busses, never did one, never participated in one.
My mentality is that, the game should be more friendly with their players, the gold players are paying are the gold they need to hone, the content they should be enjoying and learning is being skipped because it’s frustrating, the players who are carrying is focusing everyone resources, becoming stronger and gatekeeping content, hoping for everyone to be as strong as they are.

That’s why I have made learning parties, joined lobbies and helped and or suffered along other players, because that’s a game should be about, playing it.

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That was more of a joke at Rowen’s expense, but if, for whatever reason, that raiding isnt something that you want to do. There are things to get around it, through bussing, or being carried out right, But if the end game legion raids don’t grab your attention, there isnt alot left outside of either balanced pvp, or open world pvp, to keep you around.
We don’t have life skills, crafting like FFXIV does, so its a bit harder to keep a player that doesnt want to raid playing

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In everything in life, you get “Karens”…that no matter what happens, good or bad…people complain. I persoanlly think after last update game will be in a very good place for 2 months atleast. I have been playing since launch and still having a blast. Playing games you just need to ignore negativity…people been crying about popular games for years, but they still going.

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I’ll try to exemplify my reasoning.

Raids are fun, to a certain extent.
While game bosses and coordination between players are a great idea to make fun content, it is also overly exaggerated in difficulty.
Missread one valtan axe movement, dead.
Missed one Vykas orb, dead.
Ping got a little too high during clown saws, dead.
One player didn’t stagger their mob on brel, dead, dead, dead.

And every time that happens, it was because one person or another missed a simple thing, 10 minutes becomes half an hour, that becomes 2 hours, that becomes a jail, that becomes your entire day.

One must admit when a game is flawed, when it’s a bad design, when something makes you angry at others on the internet instead of being a happy gaming time.
I have seen and played enough of this game to know what I’m talking about.

But if I must stay out of the game content because I don’t like it, I guess it’s best if drop the game already.

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Yeah i’ve also been playing since launch and im pretty happy with the state of the game.

Im quite curious of how things will go with Brel HM , but that’s pretty much it.

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Aside from the ping in clown scenario, every other one of those situation is a scripted and programmed pattern at set bars though. Valtan doesnt have mix ups with his swings, Vykas will tell you what orb to grab at what time, Players know what the stagger mech will look like in brel. No raid mechanic is going to sneak up on a party and its up to the individual player and party to be ready for those mechs when they appear.

I 100% agree the game is flawed. Honing is a dogshit system for progression. 3 entry counts on the 5 possible raids players have access to is dogshit. Paying a made up market tax to polish up your Party Finder resume is a dogshit player market system. But the Combat is great. The combat is the best out of an mmo i have played in a long time and its the reason that i have sunk 2800 hours into the game. Amazon has made some blunders, but this is the best state the game has been since launch.
Slap an edit in here

Realistically, No story content is tied behind legion raids after a bit of digging, Rowen at 1445, Elgacia at 1460, with the Normal mode dungeon at 1475. Nothing is forcing you to actually run the legion raids, if raiding is something you want no part in

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Not really. It’s more the other way round. Since the game is really great and fun, the people that don’t survive have no backbone or are just stupid. Leaving this beautiful game makes no sense at all. People should stop to fomo and just enjoy the game,