It is not a “Variety” issue you are dealing here with.
Just check over those troll “Support union” threads. The big majority of replies point that a support can’t carry alone, because they lack dmg and are "Dependant’ on dps players to even progress.
People simply like to see their character do high numbers and feel “Valuable” by appearing as MVP and plenty grow an hernia when seeing the support gets it and come rage here it’s “unfair”.
The issue is a game style one, SGR could release the following 10 classes as supports and you wouldn’t find a significiative increase in support numbers where they are really needed.
I always hear that but that’s only partially true.
I played every WoW expansion from classic to now, and the only problem we had in our raid environment was to find a GOOD healer, healer overall were never the problem.
But the same goes for tanks and DPS.
Right now most of the time you take what you get, but even this is not enough.
In LA it just feels unrewarding to play a support in my opinion. I really want to play support, I played healing classes in literally every mmo I played so far - but paladin is just a no for me and my 1445 bard plays just „ok’ish“ imho. She will be pushed to 1460 but I sincerely have no idea if I want to go any further with her. On the bright side, she’s super fast in clearing chaos dungeons.
I tried Artist on RU, pushed her to 1460, and even with the class engraving on level 2 I had a blast to play her. The unrewarding part still stands (and i have simply no idea how to fix it), but while playing Artist you get at least the reward of good gameplay and really really nice effects and sounds.
quit relying on supports xD. tanking/healing is everyone’s personal responsibility and there is no content that requires any class to be brought to clear. with that said I think the issue goes a little deeper, I have supports i just dont play them because when I do I’m totally reliant on my team, and 9/10 times the team doesn’t play like that haha. its just not a fun experience to me to keep a buff up
A lot of thread like this share the same idea as yours. AGS/SG dont have the solution for this issue just because you cant force someone to play or add a support class in their roster. It is either you to play 6 support class in your roster or just deal with it or play 8man DPS.
I think it’s very true for other games. Just look at the queue times for group finders, it tells a lot about the player base. I bet Artist won’t fix the problem of “fewer Supports” cause most of the artist players are support mains anyway.
And maybe the reason is that people want to compete with others. You can’t compete with others as a support, and the supporting style in Lost Ark is more of a babysitter style than an active “i need to top my group with healing” style. Some will find this rewarding, some won’t. I got both supports, one on 1490 and one on 1430 and i like that, but that’s personal preference. So it is natural that i will play the artist too, and i think that’s what most support players will do.
Just yesterday jumped to a Yoho on a my bard alt, 1500 zerk carrying in exchange for flare/phero. Had this sorceress go and stand in front of the boss to die and then type “Bard???” There I was charging bubbles for atk buff for even faster clearance.
People see a support and just reduce them to a healing pond.
tell them bards dont heal lol, explain every heal a bard pops comes at the expense of a buff and unlike other mmo’s you are not a “healer”, people trying to play this like the trinity and it just doesn’t work haha. tell them to quit griefing and keep yourself alive either by not getting hit or using your pots if you do xD. it helps eventually lol
This is not really true, because they likely have 2 supports and 4 DPS doing raids for gold right now.
If Artist releases then they will maybe go to 3 supports and 3 DPS, therefore they will both contribute with more supports and at the same time they will require less supports for their DPS.
Look at it this way:
2x support can “cover” 6 DPS players. Since you yourself have 4 DPS characters, then we could say that you are supporting 2 extra DPS players.
3x supports can “cover” 9 DPS players. Since you have 3 DPS characters, then you are providing support for 6 extra players.
That is 200% increase in such situation.
One additional support won’t solve it, but I’m sure it will help. Just because they still have shortage, does not disprove my point. If not for Artists it might have been much worse for them. At least in my case it will be as I have shown earlier, so I’m gonna be contributing 200% more to the community with my support characters.
I know I will be playing an Artist when she’s finally released. I don’t play duplicate classes and already have a bard (at 1460). The paladin playstyle is not my thing so I don’t play paladin. I would have 100% more supports in my roster if Artist were here though.
Also still waiting for the Summoner which got stolen from me after beta…
I started as Bard. Left the game late April as i hate the sound effects and the animation style is also not mine. Pala is extremely boring.
Now i’m back playing Arcana.
So this argument of everyone being interested in Artist are support mains is kinda stupid.
Had a blast playing her on KR/RU and will for sure play it as a Main and have 1 or 2 Artist alts on top of that.
Thats 3 supports more when Artist releases compared to 0 supports i play now.
And just helping with the current situation is still a good thing. Don’t get why ppl argue “it won’t solve the problem”.
Installing more solar pannels will increase the amount of renewable energy - but we still need conventional sources…well screw it than. Makes no sense to instal them ???
Forum trolls logic is on another lvl.
They make raids easier, that’s right, but they are not mandatory. I am a Support Main myself and i got 2 Supports so I cannot stream that for you, sorry. And nobody here says “don’t bring Artist class”. It’s just there will always be a support shortage even with 5 new support classes
After having massive probs to get into pugs with my DDs when Valtan was released I started creating Paladins.
One of them is already at 1475.
2 more are at 1430, soon to be pushed to 1445.
Investment is superlow, since you only need 4x3 for the forseeable future.
That might shift the responsibility to the DDs a bit, but since they are expected to be overequipped anyhow it doesn’t make that much of a difference.
I agree that there should be a PP+Express with every class release though, it makes replacing a char in your Roster (Few play more than 6 chars actively because of the Gold limit) much more feasible.
Artist would help though, since there are ppl who like her playstyle more than that of Paladin/Bard not to mention ppl who don’t want multiples of the same class. Most ppl I know have 1 supp in their roster of 6.
Which is only true because the content comes heavily nerfed to us.
The Legion Raids are designed to be played with 3:1 - dps:supp, the fact that you can clear them without one doesn’t change that.
Thats what I thought, which is why I play 2dps+4 x pala (2 will be switched to Artist when she arrives)
The Palas get invited superfast and that way I can live with the longer time I need with my 2nd DPS (One of them is my main and does guild runs )
But I get why ppl wouldn’t play supp at all.
I asked once, answer was that it seemed to help a bit in the long run (regarding both Paladin and Artist) but didn’t in the short run.
same!
Also because that is still a farcry from the 25% of classes that should be support.
When there are 24 classes in total, 6 of them should be supports.
Yeah, I weighed it heavily while building up Gold for honing and came to the conclusion that while I like DPS more, my hate for unnecessary downtime (waiting for supps) outweighs it by far
Technically its 3 right now, since I planned for an Express Event with Scouter which probably won’t happen - so my 4th pala will get to T3 today (with Event Mats).
1x1475 and 2x1430 pala are running Raids already though.
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