Future Plans for EUW

yea im servers admin
not really DB speciallist tho
still for money they make hiring DB specialized company to get that done is not a imposible task
there are also backups and test envoirments you can do and try before going with it on global :slight_smile:

looks like you have actually more knowledge than me can you say its totally not posible?
it may be not worth for them for sure, cause fuck players, although having that know how should be somewhere over their radar anyway

i see that its more possible that they will give ppl some extra crystals or instant porgression rather than merge regions. We dont know how their region servers work and it can be a lot complicated than we think.

its just data
its complicated when ppls do it complicated and also ppls can do whatever they want with it when they want to do something actually :slight_smile:
someone had to project that systems and same person/group off ppls should have enough knowledge to merge DBs
they had some limited time server transfers already in KR,
other companies can manage that rather well to tbh :slight_smile:

I’m not a DB specialist either, but I can simply imagine that we’re not talking simply about “2 databases” but several databases that need to be merged.

Now one of the problems in question might be the usage of natural keys or autogenerated keys. The latter would maybe easier to handle, but still not very simple. If they use natural keys, than it gets far more complicated and maybe this is one of the reasons why they (the CMs) kinda “cryptically” stated, that they need to change the technology as in “we have to modify the code itself before we can even start to develop merge scripts”.
According to statements in other threads they seemed to have started working on that stuff at least not before end of April, I’d even say it is maybe save to assume we’re in mid May when the work really started.

So even if the team wouldn’t do anything else (which of course they do), 2 to 3 month is not that much of time to change the code and develop the “merge scripts”. And we all know, that they’re also working on other stuff.

And I’d also argue, that they can’t simply say “hey let’s hire some experts” and it is done in no time. Because even some externals would need time to understand the data structure and so on.

Therefore I’d say for such a huge multilayered server project like LA with maybe even several years old technology, I’d be surprised if they have the feature available this year. Just imagine 3-4 month development and additional 2 month of testing before the feature can go live.

If they had the tools beforehand, yes it should be not that big of a deal. But they need to develop the tools/tech first and this is the problem (as far as I understand it from the outside)

And I think what we can also pretty safely say is, that there must be some problems with their data structure. I come to this conclusion because of all the discussions about server transfers for individual characters. Something that should be easier than merging a whole server, right?
But as far as we know, even this feature doesn’t exists. They did some manual stuff in KR and RU and this led to some corrupt data. So why haven’t they not developed such a feature in roughly 4 years now? A feature that could even generate some revenue, because there will always be people asking for such a thing and most of them will gladly pay $10-20 for a single “transfer token”.

Close the AH 3days for new Auctions prior Merge, so every item not sold Merges

History?

Reset Islands.

But, to make it easier, im sure its gonna be a 2 Step Transfer.
First they Merge several Server which are close to empty on EUC and EUW, like EUW is left with Moonkeep and Punika. And X + Y on EUC.
2nd Step Replace X+Y with Moonkeep and Punika.

Sofar, im sure the biggest problem i think, is Character Names, EUC its already Problem to find a Name. Now having to probaly rename any Character from EuW, gonna be a Disaster.
The only hope is they working already on a System like Charname_Server. That system would help even without a Merge at all, One Name for the Whole Region was not a good idea from the beginning, and someone did not thought much about it years ago.

Option B , but i think it would be a Bad Option. Connect EuW Market and LFG.
Ping differences, even databases talking to each other. Never gonna see that option happen.

Option C, not a Great option, atleast aslong they not solve the Name Problem.
You can put anything, really anything, in a Universal Storage, mounts, pets, Customs, Hone items, gold silver. Pretty much anything. Which u can empty on a Server of your Choice.
One single time.
South Vern Pass for every Character you own.
Some extra ideas:
They could create additional Tickets you can Claim on the “old” region, like one for each 50 mokoko you collected. For every Isle soul u Collected. etc
And if you use these Tickets, you get “random” completions. After all its still a RNG Game :stuck_out_tongue:
Overall, Option C is the Worst, and can lead to many Complains from other Regions.

I only know about KR, but whatever, they had never to work with that amounts of Servers, and they just tried out if they can make some quick Cash with selling Transfers, and failed.

Now its a whole new Situation, and they have to put some Real work on it.
Losing whole Regions gonna hurt, EUW is not the only one, just the worst right now i think.

Nope. The large majority of EUW players would actually have better ping on EUC, since someone thought that hosting the servers in Dublin (what) was the best idea.

The loud silence from CMs on the matter, is alarming though…

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Yeah i know, but the databases has to communicate sending player or AH data, or they had to create a region external Master Server hosting AH and groupfinder. Dont know how that would work out.

any infos so far
Server Merge, Region Merge?
Not like we got any official info at all so far

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Bump

And this is the perfect example, why many threads to one topic don’t make sense. Roxx answered just 1h before your bump:

Other topics only from yesterday:
Provide an Update on EUW
Fear of purchasing anything on unpopular servers
Are AGS/SG still working on a solution for EUW?
Server Transferring

Yeah that’s it. She replied multiple times, but can’t reply to every single thread.
Yet still people keep refusing to use the search function of the forum and create new post on this and other topics, to make it harder and harder for the CMS/Mods and for the community to find official info.

Also still region merge isnt possible so far. So server merge will happen, they already done that in KR. So EUW will shrink to 3-4 servers, EUC also. Region merge will be next step, but i dont see it possible for quite some time.

I wonder how they can merge region ever.
They would have to take both regions offline, send the data from Ireland (EUW) to Frankfurt (EUC) and then merge them somehow there… How long would that take to make this. They would also have to stop the auctionhouse 3 days before merge on both regions.

How would they deal with double names?

So many things to consider, when merging regions.

This happens every week with the maintenance

I’m not an expert but I think this will be the biggest problem

Disable the listing of new items 3-4 days prior, so the day before merge the auction house would be empty

Make the entire EUW rename? I can also live with a number after my name, for example Sophomore1 or Sophomore22 if it is already taken (I know it is taken)
In KR it is possible to have numbers in the name, so technically it should be possible here too

But everything is easier said than done, because I have no idea how to code/implement these features

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The game will be offline for 2 days probably or more. It happened already in another games.

It’s no new update tho.
Just the same useless answer they give us for several months now.
Can’t even tell us if it’s a region or server merge they are talking baout.

its server merge, they said it many times that region isnt possible so far.

Exactly

And again: the info was/is all there…in one or the other thread. Thank the people creating new threads over and over again.

And as explained before: if they’d say “we’ll have an update in Oktober”, people will riot. If they say “we have something in September”, but than there are technical difficulties…people will riot.

The can’t really do anything riot now except being unspecific.

If this is not to your liking, fine. We’d all like more, but also reasonable info. And if AGS/SG doesn’t have a clear ETA yet, what else should they say?