Players will not be doing clown with the current DC issues. They will just quit. Enough said about that.
Yes - this is part of the issue. Doing the exact same legion raids on all characters is just boring. And sadly… this is what the game is pushing players to do rather than offer more variety.
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This will slowly kill the economy of the game and its main gold pump from the core base of players that play it every day.
The talk about inflation is pathetic and it has nothing to do with tackling bots… it wouldn’t surprise me if these people here were Amazon employees as we who play the game 6-10 hours a day know exactly what’s happened.
No matter if inflation goes up or down every player pumping gold into the economy has just lost 20-30k gold per week. AGS has just destroyed the incentive for it’s core player base to play the game…
All this just before Diablo 4 release is laughable… watch the player base dwindle.
Also the bots are back and AGS won’t do anything about them, and it wouldn’t surprise me if they had money a making scheme set up with these bots farming and selling gold too.
They clearly don’t moderate or play their own game as In the party groups their are gold sellers just sat in the party system all day promoting RMT…
The game has become a bot infested joke ran by a greedy company that exploits not only its workers - but it’s player base too.
I’m out.
AGS - never again.
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The main gold income is NOT valtan. It’s daily guardians and Chaos dungeons. Do we even play the same game? Welp good riddance I guess, have fun with blizzard hahaha. So funny how some people still can not see how good current patch is. Who cares if you loose a little bit of gold every week omg. It does not matter at all but it was obvious that these low braincell players go at it again. A single negative change within 20 good changes is enough to let some people cry a river. Holy shit you guys are so annoying
First questuon: since there are a strictly limited way to make gold in this game ,(you cant farm gold endlessly, basically a given lvl character has a cap on how.much gold it can generate, by bussing you can go over that cap but that leaves someone else under his cap, ie making gold through bussing is like making gold through trading, you get more gold personally but its not generated new gold) - so as long as there is enough gold to make transactions, you will always feel you make just enough gold, because of the nerf everything will just get cheaper and gold will be more valuable.
Second question: i dont see in the heads of the amazon smg people but it feels to me that it was rather to make early lvl raids less appealing for high lvl characters. U could solo valtan on normal or hard, two man argos and so on, and you made more gold than doing clown. So now already this week you can see that valtan normal hard iand vykas normal s less gatekeepy and there are less Wts lobbies while vykas hard is full and i think there are a lot.more clown raids as well. And if this is the only effect this does i already love it.
Third question: i think thats a little bit subjective, for me clown always was my first choice and i liked to run it rather than vykas hard. And to be honest and really objectively, once you have experience, and u are a little overleveled in terms of dmg, clown g1 g2 is a joke. G3 can be challanging but you might try to find statics to make it smoother.
On the downside you will definitely have less gold to funnel into your main but if u position a 6 man roster with 5 alts around 1480-1490, gold should not be an issue when upgrading your main. Basically people who were pushing their main character in terms of ilvl so far and now they want tonintroduce a caouple of new alts - their startegy was the most efficient.
I actaully like this change and also artist realease it helps my lower lvl dps alts get into parties and there are no major outlierrs like 1530 guys who will do 50 percent dmg in valtan hard no matter what. It is nice to have to play your alts somewhat well again.
We see, you are Mr Gold Master, who know the secret how we can do easily 4-5k gold/20-30 minute/character what is so obvious just soooo many of us blind to realize, i mean everybody blind except you and some player, who is Gold Master too.
Tell us the secret in this case, how we can get this gold amount/character, with same time with a different, new source, without invest some ton of thousand gold? Please tell us, open our eyes Gold Master!!!
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Nothing special as everybody already knows that selling some mats from chaos and guardians farmed daily on around 6 chars generate way more gold than doing valtan on these 6. And valtan Hard which you do at 1445 (free achievable right now) still gives quite enough gold (almost same amount as before if you still need the chests)
It takes GOLD. To see people say that gatekeeping isn’t real, is really frustrating. Sorry, had to add that.
Yes, gold new players will save by having to spend 0 to push characters to 1445. And they will be able to get many characters to 1445 insanely fast therefore earning them more gold. In terms of raw numbers, the amount of gold you save by this is more than what an average push to 1460 costs, which is huge for new players, and all the new players I’ve talked with are very happy about this change. The main doomer posts come from people who wanted to abuse parking at 1472 forever and people with multiple rosters expect easy gold forever.
Gatekeeping does exist to some extent but not as much as people make it out to be. The main people complaining about gatekeeping are people who do not wish to spend the bare minimum on their alts and apply to lobbies with rainbow stats and not even 4x3s and no gems.
First question, was it that we were making “too much gold” in the first place? It didn’t feel like it, it felt like we were making just enough gold to enjoy the game. Maybe we were too spoiled but it really doesn’t feel that way?
This ties into point one, where people make multiple rosters and try to sit on 1472 forever. While this is not a real issue just yet for us, it will become an issue fast. Also another thing to consider, even if some people are making less gold overall, that means there is less gold being pumped into the economy, making gold more scarce and therfore more valuable.
Third question. You’re forcuing us level up our alts to do much more difficult and tasking legion raids to make up for the gold loss(which doesn’t completely make up for it). It’s tasking doing clown once a week(that includes the time it takes for gatekeeping), let alone doing it twice a week. None of us mind doing the chores and putting in the work but the type of work you’re asking us to do is extremely deflating.
It’s honestly quite saddening the amount of people who don’t actually want to play this game but yet play this game at the same time. Clown is an amazing raid in terms of design. Many people are scared of clown because of it being “hard”, on ilvl yes it’s more difficult compared to Valtan and Vykas for sure, but as with the previous raids they are overgeared fast and become a cakewalk. As for your gatekeeping concerns on clown, I would encourage you to make your own parties if you find this to be an issue. Lots of people will be doing clown now and I am sure you won’t have issues filling.
Are we following the same roadmap as Korea? If so, how is that fair? They don’t have a bot issue, so why not adjust accordingly to our specific region issue? Maybe I’m missing something major here? Prices have only gone up & of course I can’t predict the future but it will be months before they drop (if they even do drop)
Circling back to this, the answer is yes and no. KR has never had this exact gold value for Valtan and Vykas but they have received multiple gold nerfs there which were proven to have a positive impact on the overall economy of the game. So yes, this was adjusted to our specific region. Bots are still an issue that is for sure, but not nearly as big as it used to be. Just look at life skill mat prices for a general gauge of how bots are affecting the economy, if they are very low that means it’s an issue which currently they are at a fair price.
Point of gold nerfs is so that you can’t stay forever at the same ilvl with multiple alts and leech the system, just like irl if you stay in place the world still moves and you will get left behind.
Also the buses for Argos, Valtan, Vykas have destroyed the content as it was better to pay a bus, get it over with and still get extra gold so majority didn’t even play that content but bought the busses.
Now you there is no lack of supports for that content so many won’t pay a bus for Argos, Valtan or Vykas.
You weren’t really expecting to leech forever the easy content for gold? Boost your alts and bus Kakul or Brel than.
You got honing buff, 4 free engravings that will save you lots of gold for accessories for a few months, etc…
3 days after the patch mhl are down almost 20 gold bc is still down 300 gold per 95 and youre still gonna say its doing nothing to the market? Lvl 7 9 and 10 gems are also down in price too. But gold nerf bad grrrrr
By your greed or theirs? You want the same gold for doing entey level content. There is no reason that doing argos (1370 ilvl content) should reward you more then doing brel 5 6 (1520 ilvl content)
By the time you can do Argos and still get gold from it, you won’t get Brel gold because you can not enter.
By the time you can enter Brel, you will gain much more gold compared to Argos even if timewise it takes longer but you won’t get Argos gold.
So could you please re-explain the logic behind your argument please? Because comparing a full run to only 2/6 gates in terms of gold doesn’t make much sense for me, because clearing Brel is much more worth it.
At least after the nerf in income, the prices of the ring I wanted to buy went up by at least +20k.
It’s a trade off. The gold change affects players up to 1490. The reason they give in the notes is that honing has become less expensive gold wise. That’s what I mean by trade off. If you look at a new-ish player (imho) what brings him the most power the fastest is a full roster of playable characters. And that is much cheaper now.
So I say looking at building a full 1445 gold earning roster, this has become so much easier for new players and the change is a good thing.
But then after that it’s probably a little harder to go from that to 1460-75-90. But you can probably offset that by selling some leapstones if gold becomes the bottleneck. Which I don’t really see? Usually materials are what hold you back or even silver… Personally I never had gold issues in this game at all. Even buying some lvl9 gems in between, legendary engraving books (when they were more expensive), honing multiple chars to clown lvl… Books and accessories are much cheaper now, so you save a lot there.
I’m pretty sure new players are juuust fine if they play it smart and efficiently 
The logic is entey level content should not be anywhere close in terms of gold generation to the current end game content. How does it make sense that a 6 roster of 1472.5 will generate more gold per hour then a full roster of 1520s? Thats right it doesnt make any sense. So now people can either push their roster a little further and actually earn the gold or stay there and continue to take free gold at a discounted rate
Prices are governed by supply not gold income.
Frog + events.
Once that’s gone prices will spike up and you will be left with the gold nerf.
If it was how you said everything will go down. So far only mhl goes down because of frog.
Oreha and red stones are same price. Honing cost is same price. Quality tap is same price.
Crystals did not go down lol :
Nerf = less gold = less of the above = shaft for players
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6 roster of 1472.5 will generate more gold per hour
Imma stop you right there, not even true on its face, gatekeeping happens at the 1472 level and you clear older content slower than a full 1520 speedrun of valtan/vykas. Time spent looking for raids and time spent actually in raids is ignored because you think there is a magic button everyone can push and get a full party in seconds.
But ignoring that, Argos does not pay as much as Brelshaza, 1472 rosters gold potential PER WEEK is MUCH lower than the rosters doing 6x brelshaza 1-6. People park alts at 1472 because they don’t want to spend 8 hours playing this game a day. YOU still make more gold per week than those playing at a casual pace so why do you care so much that people play easy raids for less gold than you get.
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Uh no i wont? Intook the 600k gold i made from argos over the last year to actually develop my roster. I will however enjoy the cheaper prices of the auction house
As I said, stop spreading false information.
The only cheap mat in AH is MHL because of frog.
The others are INSANE through the roof prices. You aren’t enjoying nothing lol
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So why did they drop 33% AFTER this announcement and not when the frog came out a month ago. Stop spreading false information. Oh hey look half the things you posted are in fact lower the. Their avg daily price. Ggs though you goofed
You still don’t get it do you?
You buy less of those after the gold nerf than before, even if they dropped a bit on their avg daily price.
=> shaft.
And guess what. After frog enjoy 100 gold MHL price. They dropped now because noone uses them, everyone needs the old ones for artist spam. Has literally NOTHING to do with the gold nerf.
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