pretty much why it did it earlier when bc was 5 to 6x cheaper and there wasnt much homework so there was time to do abyssals.
if i was in this situation now i would do neither.
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I’ll add that you need to track Card progress and focus on lower dungeons that have the best coverage. For example, the first cards outside of Wei that I completed were Thirain and Azena, which means that even if I am low on Shandi, running Vern or Rohendel has so little value that it is no longer worth my time.
By the time I was on striking range (10 cards counting Selectors away), I was exclusively camping for Underwater runs or queueing for a Yorn while I was doing Leapstone dailies.
It takes a lot of capital to get there, you will experience despair especially with a higher imbalance of cards OR if you are in Kadan prison.
From my tracking when I was around 25 away counting Selectors, I spent around 100K a week for two months for Mari’s, and I bought Lucky Pouches on every character for the duration of Frog. I also bought two Select Packs from Challenge Abyssal, one that came at a staggering cost of 56K. I did spend ~2 million Pirate Coins buying out Peyto/Fermata each week, but that was more for a small chance at a card while I filled out Demon Damage.
I still have not recovered financially 
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To get those cards swipe a card press F4
Man the shop experience was brutal, for the Anniversary I decided to try the 3+1 and Anniversary Card Packs, didn’t find them super useful.
Sometimes there are good deal in specific event like the Anniversary bundle. I would not recommend swipping for cards so, it’s wayy too RNG and will drain your bank account.
I wish I was in Kadan jail since i need 1 more kadan for the demon damage…
i think ultimately los 30 was a selector determined achievement. I had 11 selectors to complete it around october last year (and since then i’ve gotten 14 more selectors…)
I did luck out in that i focused on los 30 way back when BC was much cheaper. Of course my progression was gimped due to it - still not a single level 10 gem but I think it may have ultimately worked out? I know most people focused on los 30 after brel came out (ie mari rare pack buying) but at that point BC was well into the mid 3000s
Would I recommend abyssal dungeons to players? Absolutely not since too much homework these days… When I did my abyssal dungeons i had 25 extra lwc cards on top of 11 extra zinnervale and some others (from abyssal dungeons) before I finished LOS 30
IMO the best way is to just keep praying for selectors
I’m kinda curious where your demon damage is at, I’m gimped due to legion raid cards, 2 krissa, 5 shana, 1 sigmund, 3 kaishur… I may need to start peyto buying to getthem
I’m missing a lot of Purples too man, only 3.89% where I see so many that could get an upgrade if I finished some of the aforementioned. Off the top of my head I’m nowhere close on Krissa similar to you and I’ve been hunting Krause so I can finish the mini LWC (Delian Armen is too far away for a real LWC push).
Huge hats off if you started grinding early for Mari’s, I’m stuck with Level 9 Gems for now until I can rebuild and I think optimistically I was paying 2600-2800 for BC on those weeks. But Gems are the last part of the project, I’m hoping I can pace to where I can fuse a 10, buy a 10, and repeat the process slowly over time. Honing is a bit too expensive right now for the Top 6 so they need to be taken care of before Brel HM drops.
Yea in the same boat on purples, honestly they need to release purple selectors some time! The challenge abyssal helps a bit but I find epics are kinda difficult from them.
I agree on honing costs, honing for brel HM/the frog shop pretty much drained all my gold every week since frog is out.
Good luck on demon damage though!
if you are a no lifer you can do card runs from t1 raids to t3 every week with each character, back in the day when used to do card runs for LWC, i used to drop a legy at least every 2 runs
ok so you’re wrong and have no evidence
I’m sorry, but I can’t wait until he comes online to explain this to you, but the sample you’re basing your conclusions on is not representative of most of the player-base.
For starters, you’re only looking at the latest content, which consists of smallest percentage of players, which are usually either hard-core f2p or hard-core whales. Either subset of players is an extreme, rather than a representative of an average player.
Furthermore, the lower the sample size, the higher the variance, which means that 1 out of 2 having LoS 30 may be much closer to 0% rather than 50% if you would pick a representative sample.
But until someone does that, we can’t know for sure.
Except, some of us who understand maths and statistics know this, so we don’t have to bother proving anything. You should consider yourself lucky that people even respond to you with their thoughts, considering how much you still have to learn 
If I was you, I’d take the free lessons.
It’s all RNG, and for me it’s been bad RNG.
I run 11 characters for Abyss Dungeons/Oreha/Argos for the past 4 months and I have only received 1 LOS card - Thirain.
I have been running abyss 1-6, oreha, argos, card islands, and every content imaginable for the past year and I am still missing 27 cards.
I only bought the 3+1 pack 2 times, and anni pack. I don’t use Mari shop.
Some people are super lucky, but I only keep getting epic cards. If I do get legendary, I get Wei, Zinnervale and Weakened Kakul Saydon.
By my pace, I should get LOS30 within 2 years time if I keep grinding
It’s understandable that there exists a number of players who set it as their primary goal and achieved it. I even understand them gatekeeping based on such an achievement, as it increases the chances of them finding the rest of the like-minded players
What is NOT understandable is benchmarking in a game where you know those people burned sizeable amount of money to achieve that, as if it includes some skill and shows a character worth imitating.
But if that’s something that resonates with you, I gotta say that would explain your toxicity, lack of knowledge and choice of language
is this to me? because i wasnt being toxic
Well according to this, yeah xD
I understand the logic behind endgame consisting of veteran players, while other stages players that can be found, not so much. However, since I myself am one of the exceptions to the rule, because I quit and returned, it would be disturbing to conclude that we don’t matter
If you said “hey, if we’re talking about the average player, the 1 person with LOS in every Brel lobby is a very small sample size and not indicative of the entire playerbase”, I would’ve just replied with “ok for sure you’re right, but I’m talking to that guy specifically about people in the endgame, where endgame card sets matter, and not about players who have barely begun to think about those cards”.
But you implied I don’t understand basic math/statistics, said i should feel “lucky” to even get a response, and just came off very condescending overall. I wasn’t being toxic :3 just clapping back.
I’m not even saying new (or returning) players dont matter, or that they can’t get into my lobbies without LOS. But the conversation was specifically about something else.
is this kindergarten? what is with the “no you” arguments you keep repeating on loop?
where is your evidence that it is common? that you found 1 person randomly with it?
i played yesterday with 3 people that had it
that doesn’t mean jack shit because i cherry picked 3 very strong and dedicated players
I showed you evidence. where is yours
Can I ask What other activities can i do aside from argos for the card ? Because Im 5 supports roster so surely i cant solo myself for the oreha
All abyssal dungeons have chances for cards. Vern to yorn, gate of paradise, Oreha, Argos, Legion raids, etc
Adventure Island with cards. Mari rare packs. X3+1 packs (never bought these), but they lose value the less cards you need.