If you don’t - work on your Gems and Tripods, after your build is 7m-ish, you are aiming to hit everything with a rifle and have nice CD and DMG gems for rifle skills as well as tripods, shotguns is secondary.
And yeah, I know it hurts, but having Grudge is a must-have if you are looking to get MVPs for dmg IMO
LOL, nice attention my friend, have you at least compared nicknames before writing that? 
I’m gunslinger main with an 1415 Artillerist alt and I can tell you that Art is 500% easier to player than GS.
On ilvl I bearly need to drink any pots for Valtan, and as a crit / swift spam build its so easy to get my dmg out, especially in ghost phase. With well-timed shield my chance of dying before ghost phase is extremely low and my 2 instant counters are also OP.
Oh damn… your icons are the same and threw me off lol
The fact that class is more difficult doesn’t mean you can’t perform on it as well, I personally manage to stay until ghostphase 98% of the time as GS, and 70% of times I am one of people finishing the boss off.
So yeah, even though some classes require more effort to play, it doesn’t mean everyone plays them badly automatically.
I’d much rather have a bad artillerist than a bad igniter sorc and gunslinger.
I classify bad igniter sorcs as people who don’t use their identity skill and/or build it up fast enough, they might as well be a Reflux sorc at that point. I have seen many Ignite sorcs don’t bother with their identity and don’t do overlapping damage with their bursts. It’s almost ZDPS at that point.
As for a bad gunslinger, well, they get popped fast. Dead DPS = no DPS.
But if I had the choice among a bad Sorc or GS, I’d take a Gunslinger because of their damage and mobility. It could be me having PTSD over a few Sorcs that I’ve had in the past and I’m 100% sure not everyone is like how I described them. Also, most Gunslingers I’ve played with has done their job better as a DPS.
Also, people shouldn’t always take what people say in KR as a gauge and word of law. Some of those clips I see on Youtube are out of context or there is more context than what is being showed.
KR streamers going to scare NA into only playing sorc, blade, bard, zerker. lol
Well, Artillerist definitely has a bigger room for mistakes than gunslingers… so you will need to actively dodge attacks and mechanics if you play a gunslinger and not be braindead parsing the boss.
On Valtan G2, I almost never use pots
ez classe = less chance of being bad.
in any case, at the end of the day those who play with difficult classes will have to prove themselves, and it is not possible to prove in party finder. Make your own parties with your friends or guildmates (a static), and have fun.
I.don’t disagree with your reply. I also play well on my GS after learning and dying a lot in week 1.
My point is simply that Bad Art can get away with a lot of things when bad GS will just be drop dead.
Ultimately you gotta admit that GS has pretty low dmg potential given the amount of efforts required. Any optimally played igniter sorc / surge deathblade / deathblow striker could easily win MVP over GS, no matter how well you play as a GS.
I’ll have to say this, Gunslinger is not as hard as people say it is. That’s at least what I personally experienced being a Gunslinger main
are you often mvp? staying alive is easy
yes I am often MVP
I only loose DPS fights to Berzerkers, sometimes to Sorcs, but they are very boss-dependent, some of them have to learn boss patterns in order to hit the long casting skills, resulting in missing them and dealing NO dmg.
Before Surge got nerfed it was impossible to win against, now tho, it’s much more realistic
No one class is hard for me, for example. BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT, i see A L O T, of players with very easy classe doing 0 dmg. Is just tath.
You guys fall off the edge in valtan more than anyone else
Continuing the discussion from Gunslingers Unite!:
sorry i have might not read the whole post . but sadly i started ditching gunslingers and sorc out of my raids . sorc i can take 1 in each team but gunslingers im not saying its a bad class but i gave my fair share it and i always ended up wasting my time cause gunslingers hugging the floor early raid and restarting . its not the class but the players
Yeah, and such approach makes GS players gain +10 ilvl for every content out there to be considered “Acceptable” to the party.
I haven’t seen anyone who would be as terrible with GS as people generally say, I am yet to see someone who would prove to me in practice that this class is often misplayed.
Besides, you probably suffered those difficulties in early content, being Argos P1-3 or Oreha Hards? Because if you encountered such individuals in Valtan hard on daily basis, I don’t know how it happened that they survived until then
Generally 1 out 10 floorslingers survive up to ghost phase, normal or hard mode.
Class that is made out of glass and has cursed doll and grudge is just bound to die and generally have 3 engraves because they are either cheap or don’t care, most common are grudge, CD and hitmaster with 1 peacemaker, sometimes people have KBW on top of that. But being probably squishiest class that doesn’t yield much higher numbers while sitting animation locked for most skills is just not some that will appeal to raid group.
Also they ALWAYS have to click stuff, they either sommersault, or spin around with guns trying to be faster while moving at same pace as any other class.
Again 1 out 10 is great player but since there is so many of them after 1415 things just manifest that way.
Yes because nothing screams skill like playing the easiest class engraving in the game which shares the same class with the hardest one.
Great logic on that one