Wrong. You’ve clearly misunderstood the formula… I am most certainly aware of the additive and multiplicative differences between grudge and cursed doll and it reflects in my calculations.
I only noticed after I posted that he slides in some random other engraving, of course the second formula is larger. He multiplies it by another damage engraving.
Except his summary is wrong.
My formula is an example in which an additive engraving(cursed doll)'s effect is then multiplied by multiplicative engravings. It’s not hard to understand. You guys are looking for something that’s not there and confusing yourselves. It’s almost embarrassing but I understand the issue so if people continue to be confused I may make it clearer/easier to understand.
You are actually showing a fundamental misunderstanding of order of operations. The order doesn’t matter if its all multiplied and you are not making a point at all.
Hmm? I referred to an order?
You are literally using +s everywhere when talking about additive and multiplicative, im not gonna lose my time, suit yourself.
16% dmg increase engraving and 20% dmg increase engravings give a 36% damage increase. It’s not +16% then +20% it’s additive. Is this what you’re saying is wrong?
There is no issue with a discussion and I’m not hesitant to admit mistakes, but just saying “you’re wrong” is ignorant and doesn’t prove me wrong. Give me the information that allows me to ascertain what’s right if I’m wrong.
Assuming base attack power being 1.
With Cursed doll it is 1 + 1 * 16% = 1.16
For gunlancer which has a self buff to increase attack power by 30%
It is then 1.46, this then multiplies grudge and stablized status 1.2 and 1.16 respectively giving a value of 2.03.
If said gunlancer used hitmaster instead (assuming all skills benefits)
it is 1.3 , multiplies 1.2 * 1.16 *1.16 = 2.099.
Cursed doll is inferior as soon as class has another source of attack power addition as the example showned.
If a sorc is already using adrenaline, he is benefiting less from a cursed doll than hitmaster even without looking at the negative affect so why would you use cursed doll instead?
This is elementary math and I have no hope of NA.
Ignored everything when I saw this condescending comment.
Cursed doll is not better than hit master
They are at best equal in terms of damage, the instant you add another additive multiplier cursed doll loses value and hit master is clearly better. The multiplicative engraving you choose is a damage multiplier, not an attack multiplier. Once again:
CD:
AP x (cursed doll + adrenaline) x grudge = AP x (1.31) x 1.16 = AP x 1.572
57.2% increase in damage
HM:
AP x (adrenaline) x grudge x hitmaster = AP x 1.6008
60% increase in damage
This literally makes no difference if CD is applied to damage/attack power before or after other multipliers. 1.16 attack power x1.2 is = to 1.2 damage x1.16 attack power. They both equal 1.392
Interesting. I’ll look into the application of those calculations, but you do seem to be correct if they apply in that sequence.
Here is the thing, do you understand what is the basic idea of additive and multiplicative?
Damage engravings are multiplicative, hence a grudge with 2 more damage engravings would be multiplying with each other NOT adding each other.
1.20 * 1.16 * 1.16 is correct
1.20+1.16+1.16 is WRONG.
The order doesnt matter you just dont mix additive engravings with multiplicative engravings thats all, if you do (adrenaline + RE + cursed doll) x multiplicative engravings its gonna be exactly the same as multiplicative engravings x (RE+ cursed doll + adrenaline), this yields exactly the same results with diff order, how is the order “interesting”, this is hilarious xd
Unless your awakening (or other factors) can make up that 3% difference.
I linked two sources, feel free to directly ask them.
I’ll do that when I get a chance, thank you. I’m multitasking atm.
This is wrong btw, gunlancer 30% AP self buff is multiplicative with your total AP (after cursed doll).
Edit: you can test this easily by going to trixion, slapping on Cursed Doll, and using Bash. You’ll see your Attack Power in your character panel go up 30% (or whatever your tripod level is).
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Bless Trixion for moments like these.