good. i thought we need 3333333. 3x6 seems easy, thanks
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I don’t know if they were including hard mode but Korean people were saying Vykas with 3333 engravings at minimum level requirement was more than fine.
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All I can tell you is that I MVPd on dmg on Valtan this first week. With 3x3 (demonic Impulse, Adrenaline, Hit Master), lvl7 gems. Why? Because I took less dmg and rarely died I had more uptime on learning the mechanics and consistently survived into the ghost phase. In this part of the game (learning bosses, wiping etc), surviving is worth a lot (Koreans even use things like Heavy Armor for new encounters…). From a raid leaders perspective you want as many people SURVIVING as you can. Because even one more alive means so much more dps than a few % on an engraving.
Now when we talk about super endgame hard mode stuff, you know the encounters in and out, never get hit by anything and every % dmg counts. Once we transition to that part of the game, there is more than enough time to upgrade.
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Totally agree. I have 3x4 but no Keen Blunt or Grudge and I got MVP by a big margin in the last several weeks with SH in Argos P3. Haven’t tried Valtan yet. I don’t think Grudge should be taken by every dps class. People are being total sheep and putting Grudge on every character and it’s kind of sad. They are really gimping their own game play experience and I have seen several Grudge users who die easily and blame supports for wrong shield timing… like wot? lol this isn’t WoW where supports are there to only heal or shield you.
When I main Reaper I’ll put on Grudge because she’s extremely mobile. And if I were to main Gunslinger I might put Grudge on also. But for many melee classes I don’t think it’s worth it until you get the mechanics of these raid down pat. Then you can use Grudge all you want because you will rarely get hit. But right now everybody and their mama running Grudge and it’s a sad gaming experience for many people.
4x3 is perfectly possible but overkill.
3x3 is fine.
U don’t need level 9 for brelshaza
No you’re fine with those engravings and that much spec as a cockroach!
Demonic main here. Are you going DI or Perfect Supression? 3/3/3/3 would be good for Vykas, so def aim for that. Right now you only need 3/3/3 for current content.
I would guess 4x3 for DPS, some elite groups might want 5x3
3x3 for support (or just run around in underpants, you might still get invited just by them seeing your class icon)
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How many
There’s an average character power level required as a minimum for stuff.
Your item level, engravings, combat stats, card sets, skill levels, gems and more all contribute to this power level.
Engravings alone are only one part of it.
Look. Vykas normal is tuned for 2 relic pieces and full relic accesories. It is harder than Valtan hard even if she is at 1430 gs. You need 3333 and the above
Vykas hard is 33331 and full relic, Clown normal will be 33332 and hard 33333.
You need 3333 weapon +20 for valtan according to EU mentality so ne rdy for vykas you neeed prob +20 and 5 engravings to bei accepted 
Wtf xD
4x3 is enough, and pretty easy to get with relic gear,
Given you need 1445 to equip relic items, and that Vykas gatekeeps relic sets, I very much doubt Vykas normal, at 1430, is made to need relic gear… sounds like bs.
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Clown doesnt even have hard version what are you talking about? It only has Rehearsal (which only need ilvl 1385), Normal (1475) and Hell Mode.
i’m support you can take my 3/3/3 or go witout 
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Since normal Valtan gives you relic mats Vykas is designed to be played by partial relic/argos/beast at 1445 or full beast set (which is an excelent set) at 1430. You are right I should have made the distinction. Full beast (or even 4 pieces) is stronger than 2 piece relic anyway and 6 piece just destroys any 2 piece relic set with its 40% damage increase.
2 piece beast only is not enough obv. Vykas normal is harder than Valtan hard (by a large margin also)
You need 33333 and +25 weapons as DPS to be accepted into Vykas HM. If you’re support, you can be a doge and still get in.
Just 3x3 is enough if you have a static or guild or make your own party.
If you want to find a party then go 4x3