I’m goona tell demanding players what they don’t want to hear #2

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I can relate to this so much. I went pretty hard up until 1355, using only my main, as F2P. I’ve got a T1 Soulfist and another T1 mage, and I don’t even want to play them anymore. I would rather just keep grinding infinite chaos dungeon on my main than do daily chores on my alts, so…that’s what I’ve been doing. It is also jarring for me to switch between classes/skillsets and kills immersion, since I’m constantly using the wrong skills because of muscle memory from my main. One of my guildmates has 11 alts.

I don’t care if I’m on the bleeding edge of content or not, because the content that unlocks at 1370 is stuff that I don’t even want to do, but feel compelled to do, either because of quests, or because abyssals are the only way to get BiS gear.

I hate abyssals. I hate wipe mechanics that punish me for other players’ mistakes. I hate wipe mechanics that punish other players for my mistakes. It has nothing to do with the difficulty of the content, and everything to do with being forced to complete the content with other players, when 98% of the rest of my gameplay can be accomplished solo, at my own pace. Nevermind that the game trains players to expect that dungeons can be soloed.

I am cautiously optimistic about the roadmap, they’re saying all the right things that I want to hear, but I fully expect them to say one thing and do whatever creates the most profit. I am hoping that I’m wrong, and will happily re-evaluate my position on the game, but as of right now, it’s still just a collection of ugly, predatory design mechanics wrapped in a visually stunning package.

What I don’t like about the roadmap is that AGS has control over the pacing of progression and content release. The anti-capitalist in me sees this as them having the ability to keep the majority of players in the monetization sweet spot where players are most likely to cave and pay. Again, I’m willing to give AGS the benefit of the doubt and to actually deliver on what they promised, but I’m not holding my breath. If they’re doing something to “help” the players, then it’s because they have financial incentive to do so, and that concerns me.

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it was in beta AND in the release list … and was removed, they clearly said it…
so while nothing is guaranteed until the release and everything can change, the fact is : it was said it was one of the released class, had its webpage like the other has, and was removed.

I like sorc and blade, but far less i like sumoner, yes, i say it…
And how do you know i never played it? . . . i mean just some few line over you said “was in beta” … and sumoner was one of the class the most played in the beta if not the most… And it is not a new game, there are other servers, older than ours, where sumoner is already released, so… people played sumoner, destroyer, or scooter already yes. Some liked it a lot, and now they are waiting for it… sorc is far from giving me the same feeling.

I enjoyed the class when i played it… why would i not enjoy it?

I did a blade, then gunslinger and bard with bern pass, and did a sorc from level one (not even the knowledge transfer) It needed me 10 days to get it to ilvl 1340, 10 days to get up to papunika pass (and little more) with only one “over farm” from t1/t2 chaos dungeon ready, nothing more, no t1/t2 mats ready aside it… 10 days while doing daily routine, weekly shits, etc.
going from 1370 to 1415 or 1430, or even 1445 (dunno at what point we will get sumoner… ) it will need weeks and weeks even with my 4 current character + arcana and even with honing buff… So or i enjoy content, and will be able to main sumoner one or two month after its release or… i just don’t enjoy the game which is really good. Both choice are bad. and the power pass won’t change anything…

Side content ? missing moake star, 8 ignea (so… rapport rapport and rapport) and 30 una reputation to have most attribute pots, skill pots and virtue pots. i have most rune needed etc… (and i didnt even rushed the game like i rush most of mmorpg release…)

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I mean its more clear now that they had bigger plans of some sort for summoner which is why it was removed for the time being. I understand it can be frustrating but that’s just kinda what it is right now.

Having an option to at least get to enjoy the game like you said sorc and blade for the short-term is a good thing. It lets you see the game, unlock those buffs, save up some materials and things so you can boost summoner when its ready.

Also I say that people that are waiting for it might not enjoy it because maybe they didn’t play it in the beta and also because playing a class at level 50 and playing a class before level 50 are very different things, their opinion could change.

As far as the power pass goes, it sounds like we’re goona be getting T2 power passes to 960 and eventually just like KR we will have T3 power passes so with these releases classes will be closer to current content each time which should help those that are waiting for a certain class.

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OP you could have avoided a wall of text and managed to get your message across more efficiently.

But yeah tldr: In 8 days KR PTR will open with the massive class rebalance and changes. AGS is holding the classes after the rebalance is done so you don’t have to learn your class twice.

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I have 11 alts and many of my guildmates range from 0 alts to 5 alts, I have spent $200 and most have spent none and we are within 10 item levels of one another. It’s a small scale example but its more so the meaning behind it.

Alts are optional but are overall more beneficial than not having them. Paying into what you refer to as a predatory system will get you some progression but it will only get you so far. There is a really good YouTube analogy from a KR player in Korea that talks about it.

Tl;dr it’s like having a super car and a slow car at a red light, the super car will hit the next red light faster but both cars will end up waiting at the same red light which is why I say paying for anything is not necessary.

However to your other points, just like any game since lost ark is more PvE focused naturally the best things will come from high end PvE content, and unfortunately in respect to your post there will only be more mechanics where 1 person can kill everyone and you require a synergized run.

Also unlike Argos in legion raids you do not get the option to revive mid-fight if someone dies like you do in Argos so there is more difficulty ahead.

I think the road map is being done in a way that promotes f2p players to be ready for content while doing some things along the way for those that are already at “endgame” and we will see how it all plays out but it does look good from a glance right now.

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This is what i do, for now 2 month… but here comes the problem : or i stick to ilvl 1340 and then, i just don’t enjoy the game even with sorc or blade (because lets be honest… nothing to do aside the farm i am near to the end aside rapport and allegro/solas cards) I can go to 1385 (fortress research + argos) but not so much to enjoy, even more with my bet of no hope for sumoner until august.
or i try to enjoy the game, but i can’t prepare mats for sumoner, because i will consume them for the sorc/blade to go to valtan, then biackiss, etc etc.
Either way, i get to weeks (months) with enjoying a small part of content.

A break ? you know that when you do a break there is a risk you don’t come back, because in the meantime you go on another game, and when what you wanted is released, … you are on other game, then forget, etc.

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Well, while that is true right now we don’t have a date for biackiss and we weren’t told if hard mode valtan is going to come out at the same time or not so I guess in this example scenario your best case would be to get 1 class to 1415 and then save materials. In my opinion at least. This is what i’ll be doing while I wait for future announcements to see what’s coming and when.

And to add, that’s only if you care about doing the content while you wait for the class you want. Otherwise the best spot is just to hit 1385 and wait while you do other things if you want to save the most, but getting 1415 also gets you into south vern for more materials as well.

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You problem with the alts etc lies more with just the core of the game itself. Meaning you just don’t like the game. Perhaps u like little aspects, but in the grand scheme it doesn’t seem like the game is for you.

And that’s just fine

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But isn’t that fine when you’re not enjoying yourself and when you play another game you are? If I just don’t have fun while playing, I play something else?

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biackiss is less ilvl than valtan hard, but if we get valtan in may, it is safe bet to say biackiss for, at worst, july, and as said, i think no hope of sumoner before august (arcana in june = it is already a 1 month delay from first roadmap, july so would be for a second “big awaited class” : scooter/artist)

And more than my specific case (and other sumoner) think about people who tried other class in other region. YES they don’t have the frustration of the remove we have (and with no explanation at all… just “hey, we remove sumoner, here is sorc, enjoy” … ) but the problem of “they liked it more that what they play now” is the same. scooter or artist are in my predict in july… mean the other would be only in august… so the same problem in the end.

to be honest, i did break in wow to go to aion (and smaller for tera, and other games) I stopped wow and came back after for FFXIV, and now i did rotate between GW2 and BDO… but there is difference between GW2/BDO and lost ark when i do the break.
In the first two i love my character (mesmer and darknight + lahn) i love the game, (even if in BDO i mostly do life, farming some t9/T10 poney and big boat and nearly no fighting XD ) but get time where my daily routine bore me and i leave.

For lost ark this is a strange situation. i enjoy the game, but due to the fact i played sumoner, and have the memory of the enjoyment, there is something missing when i play. If i leave out of frustration due to it, and not of boreness (because … those 3 games are mostly about dailyroutine which always has this result for me XD ) i can totally expect me that this frustration keep me far from the game…

On one side you could say “fine, if you enjoy anything else” maybe. but it would be a mess, and more, i am not only thinking about me. if i was the only one or close to it, i would be really less voicy. But here is a problem that touch far more people…

And it is not only the slow pace making people frustrated (mainly those who played the class) but also there is NO COMMUNICATION AT ALL. Roxx said “there is something more about sumoner” confirming without saying about the rework (this is maybe the best proof i found about it…). And she couldn’t say more, and i think just saying this was not totally allowed…
But why did not explain in november “we remove sumoner, because in its current state, the devs want to do notable changes on it, and we prefer to release it in a “finished” state, in exchange, here enjoy the totally fresh sorceress, which is also a mage using a lot of element”
We have nothing, (and this is both ags and smg fault, for this i admit it is not only AGS i think)

And this blackout in communication make it even worse in my mind, and so i think in other people in similar situation too.

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And that may be true, we don’t know yet and there could be more than 1 class a month. I’m sure we’ll get updates on that after lancemaster comes out and they see how everything is received.

While it does suck having something you want to play not available yet it doesnt mean it has to take the fun out of your game, that is the overall point i’m aiming for and there are things you can do to prepare for its release.

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That’s partially true. While I do like many things about the game, I dislike a lot of other things. All of that is magnified by the shitfest that has been going on since the release on EU/NA.

Not to mention that I’ve spent 500+ hours playing this game. For majority of the time spent, I loved the game. The issues only started appearing and piling up in the endgame, first at T2, then especially at T3. So it’s not that simple to just say I don’t like the game.

So my problem with the alts comes from a few things. My dislike of classes currently available, the systems (daily x2 chaos, x2 guardian raids, x3 una’s - the only real way to progress is to do those over and over - I’m already tired of doing that every day on my main, so doing that on the alt just makes it even worse, I can’t imagine doing it on multiple alts), and maybe lack of engaging content.

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Let’s be honest, then it’s more of a burn out. Since you almost played 6-10h a day since release, and a burnout is normal in that case. You start getting bored and annoyed at certain aspects of the game. It’s 100% normal to feel like this after playing so much in such a short time.

Perhaps it would be a better choice to take a small break until there is more content to do, and just play like 1h a day maintaining your account a little and just do something else.

I know of myself that if I played 6h+ a day for 2 months I would never play that game again. Why? Because I would be burned out and just not enjoy the game anymore.

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420 hours to be exact (lol), so not as many as I thought.
In the first 3 weeks I’ve spent at least 3h daily in a queue, so that also adds some hours.

Besides that, it might very well be burnout, and I hope that’s the case. Last week I played maybe 2h a day, this week I’ve logged in twice.

However I haven’t experienced this with any other MMORPG this fast. I would maybe get burnout after 6months to a year, not after less than 2 months. So there’s something about this game that’s different (and I’ve mentioned what it is, it feels like a job, it kinda pushes you to log in every day, but once you do and finish dailies, you don’t have much to do).

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But my LA drug prescription needs refilled! I WAS DENIED A REFILL! REFIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Great post btw

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True if it feels like a chore it’s 99% burnout. Perhaps u just need the legion raids etc to keep you going or the game isn’t as you expected it to be and just isn’t for you in the long run.

And all of that is totally fine

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And stages of burnout happen and also interest and activity in the game really depend on a few things including your interests, your available time and people may disagree but also your understanding of the game.

The last one I say because if you understand the grindier side of the honing and dailies and stuff you wont be as let down if a hone fails or X happens which can honestly affect mentality a lot.

In regards to the other things there are days where I just log in and do my main, there’s days where I do my 3 T3 characters, there’s days where I do all 12 characters.

The gift to this game is your rested xp in that being doing stuff every 3 days, 33% of the effort for 66% of the reward.

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We already know the game is getting drip fed to us. The hype has died because of this. I among others are already back to WoW majority of the day after the 30 mins of content dries up.

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and that’s a good thing.

If you’re spending 30 minutes you do your 4 dailies, probably do hone attempts then log out and that’s how you choose to play and that’s fine, it’s healthy to have options you can do besides LA if there’s not other side-content in LA you feel like doing. Look at the FFXIV director as an example, he literally states “hey come play when we have an update and then go play something else while you wait”.

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It is just peoples that want to skip everything to jump straight to the dessert and then keep demanding even more dessert until that itself becomes tasteless. They just do not care about the pacing of the content since all that matters is to be spoiled at any cost.

I am upset because a lot of players like me do not want the content to be rushed and especially since it is actually a good game that can be improved and can offer so much more.

We should let Smilegate to work this out properly with their experience instead. I am very sure that Smilegate knows everything that needs to be known about this game and what steps are needed to be taken so that it can get better.