How the hell do you even play ToF. I see some people creating their own character, but then there is a gacha system for different characters? So what about the one you created? Is it for avatar?
Because some people play 6/6 or even more valtan+vykas a week. Personally I don’t want to spend more than an hour to clear a single raid just because there is some newbie. It’s what guilds are for.
probably because the mentality of the bad / new player is how they are in GRs or Abby. 0 cares. bad gear. t2 stone. bad or missing gems and refuses to consumable.
Sorry, not gunna carry you through valtan because you refuse to d bomb. Not gunna floor pov carry you through vykas or any content because you are missing 30k hp and running grudge but lack basic motor skills.
This attitude is why people are just quitting. Very few people actually try to help new players learn what they’re doing wrong and how to correct it, they just dismiss them as trash and leave them with nothing.
The excuse that they don’t listen is just that, an excuse for toxicity and elitism. Most people are willing to learn if you approach them like people and not some snobby elitist.
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We were trash too at the beginning but we figured stuff out. So why can’t “new players” figure some basic things out like decent gear and boss mechanics? We all watched those KR streamers explaining tactics, we all watched KR streamers and youtubers talking about gear progression. Why does anyone else have to be responsible for the newbies apart from themselves? There shouldn’t be a thing such as “learning groups”. Just watch the damn video explaining the fight as many times it takes for you to get it in your head and then go do it.
Git gud or make your own groups. If you think that someone is disgusting for having quality control in their groups, then the real toxicity lies in the mirror. They own the groups and they are literally theirs. They can do whatever they want with the groups and it’s fine as it’s nobody else’s business. If you think that you’re entitled to any kind of special treatment or consideration from others, then you’re simply too entitled. Ain’t nobody going to detract their enjoyment of the game or their chances to clear the content just because you don’t feel like tryharding or let alone git gudding at the game
is as dead as it can be… People are so stupid that even a alt run I can’t get with my 3rd 1460 cause guess what I am gate kept because I play arcanist and I have to play maxroll build where you have 4x3 1x2 and 1x1 and if I want to play Jiudau’s arcanist build which I enjoy because I get to spam skills, I am gate kept out of everything lmao… Don’t know about you, but at this point I am looking for another game.
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gl looking for other game! guess we dont need negative ppl like ya
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I blame this on all the new players.
Have a fellow in my guild that has returned to the game after a few months.
He made a group for argos p3 and said something like prog / returning players.
No1 applied.
Its almost like these new players just wants to leech of reclear groups to quickly succeed the raid, instead of joining the groups/making a group to progress
yeah ofc havent u seen tons of groups “reclear” a fella with 130 roster lvl joins and he doesnt know any mechanic? u talking about that ones?
I dont know what your point is or where you are going with this…
Well now that the playerbase has a much better and actually decent knowledge about the game and the shenanigans revolving around groups they aren’t simply applying blindly to whatever run is out there unlike in the first months of the game. So if they see a 1403 iLvl Sharpshooter with budget stats/engravings alone in a group with that title, why would an active and experienced player apply to said group exactly? Because if they’re on a busy server where there’s plenty of groups to choose from then they can just apply to another “know mech, chill run” group if they wanna have some casual fun with a 1,4k alt or just their main. Then again if it’s a low pop server then there might simply not be players applying at the moment or there’s still another one or few of the previously mentioned groups they’d rather join
When there’s cheap meat at the shop next to quality meat with a lower price tag then the quality meat will sellout before anyone takes the cheap meat. You can’t just expect players to randomly join groups or be flexible with their own personal preferences regarding preferred playstyles and groups. That’d be unreasonable
Hopefully your friend doesn’t have this problem in the future though 
Ur missing my point. Let the reclears do their reclears.
Why be mad that there are reclear groups “gatekeeping”
Just do a “chill run”
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What? Now you make absolutely no sense regarding my reply
This
uh. I’ve helped teach mechs to many people when I need to fill one or two spots. I don’t care if I need to teach people mechs. I do care when you are 1415 with a t2 ability stone or you flat out tell me that using consumables is a waste.
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Dont know how ur reply had anything to do with what i wrote
ok then go play something else
also literally nothing I listed was anything that is elitest. I didnt mention anything specific towards gear. just bad gear. I didnt throw out 5x3 or anything.
My main concerns when looking at someones character sheet are effort slots
do you have a t3 ability stone
do you have all gem slots full
do you have t3 accessories of at least legendary
to me that is a pretty basic view of your effort. I have 5 gunlancers. 1485. 1445. 1415. 1400 1385
every character has at least full t3 level 5 gems
at least a 4x3 engravings
at least a current tier of ability stone and acessories
at least legendary or higher armor and weapon
at least 20 of each relavant consumable for the content
To me all of that should be basic for any end game content, but I don’t require that to accept someone into a group. I’d be fine with someone who pays attention. has enough hp to survive and has consumables
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So? What about it? I just explained why this is what’s out there. That’s what anyone reasonable would expect from the groups