people do learner groups and prog groups all the time, i usually see like 10 a day
Yeah because this game doesnât have real guilds, it has guild leaders with their statics that just recruit people and do absolutely nothing that real leads do because they want higher numbers so they can gvg for their own personal gain.
If you acknowledge this, then how does your previous comment make sense?
It makes sense because you donât have any other choice, eventually all of the party finder will be busses. There wonât be any parties let alone learning ones lol
Nah, most mains usually run it normally. Busses are mainly used by alts, though there are some mains who bus everything because who knows why. At that point, youâre not even playing the game.
Learning groups, though, are pretty much extinct and will kill the game for most, if not all, new players who want to play the game.
I mean itâll just be like the other regions where new players are told to just buy a bus lmao
Thatâs just sad. If I was just joining a game late, and the only way for me to complete any content is to âbuy a busâ, I would quit just like the new players that have posted in this thread. Itâs just pointless.
I mean thatâs how every other mmo functions whether you like it or not, you donât do old wow or ffxiv content most of the time unless youâre paying.
and if youâre not paying you have to search day and night for groups actually doing old stuff.
Iâm not talking about old content. Iâm talking about Valtan and Vykas. Thatâs not old content. But if you look at party finder, there are no learning groups and majority groups are bus/exp groups.
Well yeah no random person is going to want to be in a learning party, itâs just a weekly to anyone whos cleared it.
propably cause if people spend hours days or weeks to learn/ master a raid than they dont wanna waste that time everytime again when they do the raid again - i struggeld alot clearing vykas 1st time since there was basicly never a group but eventually found a learning group and did it - and since then i m not gonna join anything else than reclear since i dont wanna spend 2-10h every week/ character just to carry some dudes having no clue
while i agree gatekeeping content that hard is bad for the game. people who want to learn content can just make their own party finder for learning groups and i have no doubt that thereâs some good playerâs who are willing to actually join and help them out while at it to explain things to them etc. iâve seen people do that specially in my own learning group which i created for valtan when i finally hit 1415. some people are willing to help. we had someone who joined on his 1460 and was patient with few players who still didnât know what to do. it was a fun experience but itâs also a rare thing to see.
There are still learning groups like the only one I saw last week for Vykas NM. So rare but it was very helpful since it was my 1st taste of it even at ilvl 1455. I was looking to gain an experience for kiting the ball or when and how to use time stop properly if I fail. Very subtle details that eventually got all of us past G1. G2 came and so many errors at the black and red balls that we eventually tire and asked for a break. That was enough practice though even when we failed.
So yes with these rare learning groups I am afraid players like me who would not take a bus and rather learn myself will be pissed off and quit evetually if they arenât patient as I am. I just do not let fomo creep up and hate faking to join reclear groups when I know I donât have any experience but watching YT vids.
It is also hard to find a good guild with all the usual alts joining just to gain Sylmael without the intent to participate.
Unless these norms change, the game will be very hard for both new and old players to keep playing. I have nothing against busses, but who else will be willing to form teaching parties when you can get gold instead.
IMO, It will be an unhealthy cycle overall for the game in the long run but I donât see it dying yet, only unbearably too much hassle to hold on to for most players.
Itâs just another metric to use for people you have 0 idea about.
A guy with 150 is much more likely to be better at the game than a guy with 50.
game needs new blood at the end of the day, Western NA PC gamers are not used to these Mobile Gacha elements in Lost Ark.
Just failed 13 casino stones today cost me iunno 20K gold. Could have âmoreâ ppl doing Vykas but lol oh well im out of gold, have 0 pheons cuz of money sink, and canât do even Valtan NM on my fresh 1415 because I dont have gold-pheon-acc-mats to get 3x3. Iunno how newcomers bypass this gatekeeping shit lol You can blame the community but large part of it is due to the stupid decisions monetizing the game after launch.
Unfortunately, It sounds and starting to look like AGS just does cash grab hype games. When the party over cash out. However, you can monetize efficiently with even just 10,000 players. Depends on the cut off mark.
Stop pretending anyone with a brain is spending that amount of time outside of 1st clear week. Even the most basic pugs disband after a few wipes.
in my opinion, since I create reclear parties and Alt reclears. I wouldnât want someone who doesnât know the mechanics in a raid to mess up my run. I have a lot to do throughout the day so Iâm just trying to get my raids out of the way and go on with my day. Itâs unfair to both me and the person who is learning. because for 1, I guarantee you theyâre not learning anything theyâre just following everyone elseâs lead, and for 2 I donât have the energy to explain the raid to someone or wipe on a raid that I know how to do. .
Learning /new players should be encouraged to make their own lobby because it creates a healthier and less toxic environment considering they are learning the raid, but majority of learning players are afraid of sidereals. At least from what I have seen. I know players who do reclears that are still uncomfortable with sidereal. 
You know challenge abyssals, Iâve pugged with players who are whales and still donât know how to clear a T2 simple sword mechanic and wipe on it. I donât care how high their ilevel is, If they donât know mechs Iâm not going to waste my time and sit there waiting for them to learn it.
Funny how you say âalreadyâ. Many People wanted that since week 2. Also they Gatekeeped in week 2 with âhave 4 piece Relicâ or âhave the âSister/Brotherâ title.
Last one was fun since many cleared Vykas and didnât have that title.
So and then what after every leagion raid is released? then we will have to wait 1 year for new conten like korea did. By the end of the year we will be at Brelshaza and q1 next year every class should be released. Dont see the game die becaue its fun.
What that tells you about enjoyment of the content?