common sense
it wont get you nowhere really
if i want to burn some time i can play DI on phone to, it dosent make it any better idea
then you have no idea what casual means
casual in D3 means playing 3-4 rifts and quitting
casual in league means playing 2-3 arams and quitting
casual in anything means playing anyhting that isn’t really significant to your progression and quitting including real life sports
casuals are never competing or playing with the professionals in any sport
imagine playing casually pool on the weekends and wanting to compete with effren rayes
this snipped right here proves that you just want the game to kneel down before you and feed your every demand
basically no game will ever satisfy you
not even if LA does everything you want it to
I’m in a real minority then. LOL I’m not a daily player nor am I spending much money. I buy some skins I like to look pretty but that’s about it. Yes, I’m behind everyone else, but I’m okay with that. I like playing at my own pace. I’m using busing to get around the whole “nobody is at my level anymore” thing.
casual means I can play a match irrespective of my skill level, I may be bad at it, I might come last place, but can I at least finish the run please? 5k run some can do it in 20 minutes, I ran it in 2 hours… ok I walked. But I do get to finish and COMPLETE the run right? I don’t mind the greater runners are having an hour bbq while I struggle to finish. I do mind is that I am not able to finish. oh well, this game won’t even let you start the run because casual can never have the requirements to start the run. It is like a 5k run showrunner is saying hey if you cannot complete the 5k run in 30 minutes, well we remove the finish line after 30 minutes. To go a step further, please stay home and don’t bother to show up to run, we only want great runners for our cause
Lol assumptions
What demands?
To have less required repetition and better rewards for more optional grind?
I want it to be good (technically combat is grate although gameplay loop have a loot of space for improvments) and up to current standards
To actually respect my time investment with more coresponding progression?
Posibility to actually farm my own gear(accessories)?
Maybe on top on a bit less agresive monetization but thats tightly tied with above demands. Yea i have some really high standards, no game can possibly achieve that…
Its funny when ppls put 4-5k or more hours in an year into a game and they think it make them elite
Its even funnier you dont do any competitive things outside of burning time/money on mindles grind for 99% of time, then its just overgear shitt and new content is done in ~2 weeks
For me casual is someone that can put 1‐2 maybe 3 hours a day and it should be enough to access everything on basic level in time and enjoy what you are doing without need to full yourself with “its marathon”, “you will get there at your peace” bullshit talks
Only place you will get in your time is gate keeping hell and overpriced shit on supper inflated gold rates
While hardcores should have acccess to skins, tittles, mounts and maybe some higher modes of content a bit faster, for currencies they can overstack by extensive gameplay
Tbh that how it works in civilized games
And there are games that satisfy me.
Actually couple of them even, its not that uncommon as you think to have a fine game although yea ppls tend to keep looking for something better/different from time to time no less.
its not really my fight anymore so just keep up and gl in there i trully hope you all are getting game you want and deserve
This game has a bad catchup mechanism for new players and a stupid roster ilvl for gatekeeping.
EDIT:
Look at WoW for example. Has catchup mechanism for lvl and gear and the only gatekeeping is current tier (and you can easily build your score for that). You don’t need to play since day one to be accepted in parties.
In LA as a new player you lack runes, skill points, not being lvl 60, roster lvl and you can`t gain experience because you are rejected from parties. All new players Alt+F4 and never come back. That mokoko buff is useless because nobody helps mokokos. Is more like a target to not get invited.
Eliud Kipchoge ran a marathon in in 2h or 42km~
average runner that is capable of running a marathon runs it 2x slower at 4h 21m
beginner 20-30 5km run is 32min or 4.48h if they somehow manage to run the same pace 8.4times in a row without stopping
now the average person can’t run 1 km
the average person is not even the casual
the casual runner running is running to the bus stop to catch it
the casual runner running is running to catch the crosswalk greenlight
the casual runner is not someeone who runs marathons or 5kms or runs for cardio at the gym
the casual player is someone who plays 1h a day tops and just does the bare minimum
wastes some time does a few quests and logs out
3h a day is not casual
and you can do a FUCKTON with 3h a day
for one i can fully complete my 6x dailies in 2h
i can do 4 hourly events in 3 hours
i can do 6x valtans and 6 vykases in 3hours
i can do all my weeklies in 3 hours
with 3 hours a day you can basically do everything
your perception of what casual is extremely wrong and misguided
a casual could never compete in any game
single player games and multiplayer games are fundamentally different
it took me 2 weeks playing witcher 3 casually to complete it
the speedruns are under 2 hours
yea that would be close to true, after initial time investment to establish some base required gear/skill
well it depends on game genere
and we are talking on avarge so i can play 2-4h total per whole work week and blast with 12-17h on whole weekend for instance it will avarge out to ~2-3h
hmm yea but how much time you needed “invested” in front to get to that point?
i will not get into examples as its not going anywhere but other games actually respect my time while LA is basically slave simulator, im my opinon, with this monetization/economy model
Casual is a very subjective term tbh depending who you ask. Further it also depends on the type of game you are playing, or atleast thats my opinion. There are games out there you could play for hours on end and still be casual like for example playing ARAM in LoL.
But gernerally speaking i agree with stefan here. I think there was a survey in 2020 which averaged the playsessions of “casuals” at one and a half hour. And most “casuals” wont get past it. They just want to kill some time or play the new “trend”. A good friend of mine started playing elden ring when it got released, clocked like 7 hours and didnt finish the game at all.
Same goes for MMOs and MOBAs. The guy playing in bronze doesnt care about his rang while having fun harrassing the enemy with Heimerdingers turrets. And i bet they also dont care about being Brel rdy. They hop on for matchmaking argos/oreha and maybe normal valtan and log of. Maybe some fishing and gathering in between.
EDIT: Further, i think its established that LA isnt the best “casual” expirience regarding the average playtime of said casuals. So people tend to stick to the game when having more time to “sacrifice”.
what do you mean time invested before?
it’s a long term progression game
we don’t have power resets or content wipes
including tier transitions are not equalizers
you are playing the wrong game m8
LA is basically slave simulator
but other games actually respect my time
go play the other games and stop polluting the forums then
Yeah, for new players it’s impossible to catch up fast & keep up with the ones who played since launch. But those who started early actually could get there without any swiping. I’m at 1.8k hours including login queues of the past, playing since release. Took a few breaks, never swiped, bought one ark pass and 2 character slots. Got 2 chars with very good gear at Brel level. A third one is rather close to it but honing it made me poor, because couldn’t run any raids besides Brel & Argos for 3 weeks.
The issue is also practice. Lots of veterans expect no mistakes in reclear parties and some people need 100x practice while others can do it with 5x. It’s what I notice when not running raids for weeks and then sometimes stupid mistakes happen.
people still die at valtan sooo yea
it took me 10 months of doing valtan on 6 characters to get my 1st deathless and it was in a low ilvl lobby
people prefer overgeared players in order to allow deaths
if everyone is overgeared and half the dps dies the raid can still be completed
if everyone is on ilvl and needs pretty good performance and 2 dps die it’s an enrage and wipe
thats why we make the overgeared lobbies we just want to guarantee a clear and minimize the chances of someone sniffing glue jailing the whole raid
i wouldn’t say it’s impossible
your catchup is current end game
currently in our game 1520 is our end game
current max is 1590
and the difference between 1520 and 1590 is nearly 7million gold in materials and 100m silver
this is not supposed to be your goal
a new players goal has plenty of time to reach current end game
a new player has no business demanding to be 1590 and given to them by the game through catchup mechanics
Theres at least some truth to the OP post. You either play something to the effect of 3-5+ hours per day almost every day, or swipe at least a few times. I don’t think its very possible to have 3/4/5/6 characters well into brel with +2 gear ~ilvl 1510-1540 without either playing nolife and/or swiping. I play a lot, bought some chests early on in the game (founders etc) but I never swipe and my main is 1510 (not pushing atm) with two alts 1470+ and the other 3 rounding out top 6 at 1460+. I play 2-3 hours a day (vs 5+ for the first several months).
I took a month off, came back…my goal right now is not pushing my main or getting +2 gear. I want all of my alts to have full relic and to be 1470. Then I’ll either look at pushing a main or two and getting +2 gear. I can’t keep up with the toxic gigachads in the game.
tl:dr 1580-1600
can hone 2 or 3 alts from 1490-1580
If not a whale better to hone 2-3 alts to 1580 rather than one to 1600.
Most in KR including strimmers only have 1-2 characters at 1600+
After Voldike people started honing to 1600+
Most in Korea chilling at NM because the grind ridiculous
SG wants casuals to swipe more
The biggest gold sink above are shards and well raw gold.
B/R Stones, silver, marvelous easy to come by
Shards actually req you to farm chaos x2 everyday as I don’t think they are roster bound in KR
Source of complaints.
Yeah these guys making 10-30m vids talking BS when all they have to say chaos dungeons don’t drop enough shards.
