If AGS/SmileGate couldn't solve the bot problem; give us a subscription based server, and allow us to transfer there

Getting a fake credit card is also identify fraud and is a felony. If they are strict about banning bots and their associated credit card, we can effectively hinder most of them. Look at FF14, bot problem are very minimal for the 2 years I’ve been playing. Personally, I’ve not noticing any. WoW is a different story because they are relaxed about bots. But you dont see gold spammers spamming the area chat at least.

That will do absolutely nothing.

As an experienced MMO player bots will only stop if players stop buying gold :person_shrugging:

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If you don’t think there are bots running rampant in sub games like FFXIV and WoW then you either don’t play those games or don’t actually know where to look / what to look for.

lets be fair here, LA bot problem is a lot more serious than FF14 and WOW.

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People willing to pay a mandatory subscription are also much more likely to spend money!

So, that kind of server would be even more likely to have RMT!

With internet Anonymity in the NA/EU … nothing will ever be solved. And there will never be an internet ID number for all users in the world…

This is not an easy problem to solve in a global game…

Wow/FFXIV have bots. You have to buy the game, the expansions and then pay monthly subscription. Both game have cash shops. Hell, WoW even sells ingame currency and creates direct competition to RMT.

So, subscription will solve what exactly? Cuz definitely not bots.

If I had the choice between giving up internet anonymity, and fewer bots in Lost Ark, I’d rather not deal with games like this anymore.

Predatory Casino Games like this might be forbidden in a few years anyway.

its not internet anonymity anymore when players are forced to use their credit card to pay for the subscription

Never heard of a prepay debit card? Anyone can get one, requires zero credit rating or check, and all 3 major card providers have option for completely anonymous version of prepay cards.

Amex, MC, Visa - all have prepaid anonymous cards. Can’t be used for products that deliver but any service like a sub, easy.

I doubt it. Very few countries actually completely outlaw gambling as opposed to just regulating it.

they can easily reject prepaid cc as payment method.

No they can’t. Not without rejecting that entire type of payment provider.

A merchant can choose to accept MC over Visa, or accept neither. Or all three Amex, MC, Visa, sure. But they can not reject any specific type of card that provider provides without violating their merchant agreement to process those transactions.

Same for bank issuer (e.g. merchant also can’t say will take Bank of America Visa but not Wells Fargo Visa.

So only way a prepaid anon card would not be accepted is if the merchant declined all cards of that issuing type. E.g. decline all Visa

vendors can totally tell the difference between regular cc and prepaid cards, especially anonymous prepaid cc.

check this out.
google-now-rejecting-prepaid-cards-for-some-of-its-services

Clearly you don’t know how Visa, MC or Amex works.

Or bothered to do simple google search on merchant transaction agreements for any of big 3 card issuers

Or ever ran even the smallest of businesses that accepted credit card payments. A merchant Is free to decline all or none, they can’t pick and choose, what they are free to do is constrain their purchase requirements - e.g. require not just a card number and name / address but forbid PO Boxes. Or refuse to ship to a PO Box, etc

Which is why in my original reply I said prepaid anon can’t be used for most product delivery purchases, but are just fine for service payments.

Since you clearly have no clue how actual commerce works, no further replies. Stew in your own fantasy world if you like.

I am actually dumbfounded that people think a subscription server would solve the bot issue.

I worked as a software engineer. I certainly know how payment system works. dont be a dumbass and admit that youre wrong.
Merchant can definitely tell what type of credit card are being used.

You can provide detailed definition by adding data property to the payment method data. supportedNetworks indicates which credit card brand you support and supportedTypes indicates which type of cards ( credit , debit and prepaid ) are supported.

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After playing osrs and RuneScape I have just learned to just cope with bots being an issue for MMO in general. At least they are grinding the tedious stuff instead of the high end gear.

A merchant -can- implement lots of things. Such as the common $X amount required to use card at their establishment. E.g. must buy $5 or whatever to use card

Doesn’t make it compliant with their transaction agreement. Report them and they will get in trouble for violating terms.

Same for requiring ID. Bet you didn’t know every store demanding to see ID in order to pay with Visa or MC is violating their terms of service for cc transactions did you?

An engineer can code in lots of things, doesn’t mean merchant is obeying their cc transaction tos with the card issuer. A merchant can code in decline any payer with name Joe. That is not the same thing, nor compliant with tos, as the card issuer who doesn’t care.