I am serious - why doesn’t everyone at least bus argos maybe is the better question. A lot of 1370 alts due to express. If you just bus argos you make more than enough gold to sustain pheons
This game is playing smarter not harder. You calculate gold per hour for all activity and only do highest ones
I did the math on another post.
Only relying on raw gold data.
Full 1460 - 75.34k/week
Main + 1445s - 69.34k/week
Main + 1430s - 63.34k/week
Main + 1415s - 46.84k/week
Main + 1370s - 40.84k/week
Each week you buy 100 pheons (most weeks you don’t even buy pheons……) with this much gold left to buy accessories, stones or buy books.
Full 1460 - 75.34k/week - pheons(10.7k) = 64.64k/week
Main + 1445s - 69.34k/week = 58.64k/week
Main + 1430s - 63.34k/week = 52.64k/week
Main + 1415s - 46.84k/week = 36.14k/week
Main + 1370s - 40.84k/week = 30.14k/week
The percentage of gold you keep each week vs use on pheons.
Full 1460 - 75.34k/week = 64.64k/week - keep 85.8%, pheons 14.2%
Main + 1445s - 69.34k/week = 58.64k/week - keep 84.57%, pheons 15.43%
Main + 1430s - 63.34k/week = 52.64k/week - keep 83.11%, pheons 16.89%
Main + 1415s - 46.84k/week = 36.14k/week - keep 77.16%, pheons 22.84%
Main + 1370s - 40.84k/week = 30.14k/week - keep 73.8%, pheons 26.2%
These numbers are obviously based on the free passes, and events we’ve gotten and people should have a roster. New players are outliers as we know they should get help.
On average, people who actively play the game with 6 alts spend 15-20% of their weekly gold on pheons… this is assuming they BUY 100 pheon pack each WEEK. (which you don’t need each week, so people have weeks where they keep 100% gold) They have about 75-85% left of their income to spend on whatever else every week.
Also as you can see, lower levels keep less of their gold but they also get more pheons per accessory. So 1370s, 1415 and 1430s use 15 pheon accessories vs 1445/1460s 25 pheon accessories. So buying power is in favor of 1370s, 1415s and 1430s.
Now this won’t fit everyone’s situation but it shows trends and we can guess what people with 3 alts might look like etc. They need less pheons and rightfully earn less gold too etc.
People shouldn’t be broke lol whether you a casual or not. It has nothing to do with someone who has 6 1460s… everyone can make this amount of gold by simply playing the game.
Thank you for math. Like I said in my first post - I am maining criticizing those 6 month player who are complaining about pheon for ACCESSORIES.
I put exception already in my original post - new player need massive pheon injection to build roster to earn gold for pheons. And ability stone pheon/rng need to be reduced. I think my point is fair, I don’t know why some people are not reading post (not you) and attacking me. I don’t think I made wrong point.
LostArkEnjoyer1 makes very good points
You’re not taking any Chests on your alts, at all? I’m only taking the Argos Chest + last Chest in Legion Raids atm so the gold is less, that said through Busses/Random Sales/Stronghold it’s still a good amount of gold (~90 K) so Pheons are no issue here. Just pointing out usually the last chest and value of Fused Leapstones is worth buying, unless you have zero plans to push them at all.
I have only taken last chest Vykas Hm and stopped taking chest on Argos on most alts because I don’t want to spend time to do more than 1-2 clowns a week. So I don’t need more bound mats and I am comfortable with my alt progression speed
Are all these calculations just gold, or selling honing?
Maybe I make more than I think but spending a 3rd of that a week on pheons is rough.
I’ll also add I chose poorly early on because I had no idea what was going on and how crazy they’d get. It was a brand new game to me, they showered me with pheons, pheons weren’t too crazy for tier 2/3, so I spent then assuming I’d get more.
They gave us hundreds, now they give us 9 a week if we’re lucky. Who knows what pheon prices will inflate to either, we’re at 1400+ in naw, when it’s 2k for 95 blues that’s an insane tax and honestly really off putting for gearing alts. And we wonder why there are 1x3 champs in yoho/desk. (Not me but I’m starting to get it)
Also the argument “unless you’re new” kind of sucks. We’re basically saying tough **** to new players, is that about right?
I think new players need 400+ pheons in mokoko challenge ya 
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Those calculations are selling everything or most things worth selling
I didn’t want to say anything cuz this thread is a joke, but your answers to people’s comments are so funny 
From where u get that data that 90% of players have 1460+ alts? Or how the hell u make 160k gold :D. If you are really doing these stuff like all 1460+ alts all geared and making “160k gold” each week than u are living a really sad life, never leaving your room not even to take a piss.
My advice for you is to not lose your life into this game. I’m pretty sure more than half of the players don’t play this game for 5+ hours. Personally i play it daily for about 1 hour or 1:30 and that’s it.
And about pheons, they are really expensive to have to gear Main and alts, so next time be more realistic and don’t make yourself like a clown. 
Why you never reading post. I said 90% of players have 1-2 1415 alts and a main if they make good decision. don’t need to play 12hs a day to have 6 1460
yup the amount of time it would require having all alts 1460+ is insane (if f2p), I used to play aaalot (more than what I should) and definitely far from having 6x1460
oh you definitely do need 12hrs to have 6 1460
if you are full f2p i agree. Light spender maybe 5-6hs is my guess. I know a ~500$ player who has full 1490-1500 now at 1.5kh So 200$ maybe 1.5kh full 1460
the game unfortunately is top heavy, that’s not something anyone can change
so yeah, the new players are out of luck unless they get some kind of new player help from AGS/AMZ. We can’t personally do anything for them
full roster 1490? lol he spent more than 500$, he is just ashamed to tell you
Maybe so. Maybe I shouldn’t have put the upper end of 6 1460 alts in this discussion, really therw a lot of players off and they only look at that one sentence and make assumption about thread. I put 6 1460 alts and 80-150k gold as the upper limit
My main point is you have had 6 months of gold and free pheons - where did that all go? That is 100% more than enough to have enough pheons to supply accessories for all your 6 character especially if you buy blue crystal when they are 400g. Why didn’t you buy then? Many people saying to buy then.
Sad that people keep attacking a few sentences and never reading entire post. Maybe they are ashamed to admit that they did make poor decisions and attack the person instead of accepting that.
I was one of them who were collecting pheons, i had 300 Free pheons. 300 Pheons is nothing about 150 u need just for accs for relic,(not mentioning Legendaries where u needed to buy), about 50-60 pheons for stone( average luck) make this min x2 (for main and alt) + Tripods for main and alts. your Free pheons gone. I think u are just not playing this game and talking random things
No, they are not ashamed of anything, you try to convince people that they are playing it wrong and then start a statement on how you breakdown the weekly income gold with 6x1460 characters, people just stop caring about what you have to say because your premise is far from reality. Is like reading a post from Paris Hilton about stop being poor starting with just ask your father for a small loan of 5million usd, you just stop caring about what she says next.
If you really want to help people or make a statement that makes sense, then check where people are at, use realistic numbers and make a new post that is more credible.
The issue is where people are at currently is often a result of poor decision. Such as wasting gold on quality rebuying accessory too much etc. I don’t have good estimate of what a smart informed player is at
I know a lot of people who never sold their mats, never spent money on quality rebuying, never buy skins and they have about 30k gold not enough to equip all their characters.
okay I trust your word. So my point on original post about stone rng/pheon cost need to be reduced definitely stands.
I am okay with admitting my mistake - I have almost no legendary engraving - just 1 blessed aura. Now I have to buy igniter, surge, demonic impulse which are all 9k gold + each, on top of grudge/cd which is 6k gold each+. All my friends told me to buy these earlier but I bought blue crystal. Somehow they have enough gold to buy blue crystal and these books earlier but idk why.
But I am not sitting here complaining that wow, i have to pay 180kg in legendary books at least per character - this is not affordable. I admit that I planned my gold poorly, and I have to suffer consequence of that by slowly working on it.
This is the line of thinking I have for pheons as well. It is my poor decision making that I have to pay so much gold for legendary book now. I think in general people just need to admit that they didn’t do the right things and not blame systems.