It’s not a controversial topic btw.
People sell/buy busses everyday, they just don’t come here and create a topic about buying or selling busses.
I know all mechs. I just cant afford raid to fail. If raid will fail, i wont have time do another and so on. It depends on 7 other people as well.
Its really on SG if they want this to continue or not. And just looking at the kr version they don’t really care.
Don’t see the point of all these threads bout it. It is what it is. SG has all the capability to adjust or fix the endgame loop or the encounter design but they won’t its not worth the $$$. Just saying.
This whole bussing culture makes no sense, to begin with anyways. It just destroys the game at a fundamental level… but people do what they want anyways so who cares unless SG says no tbh.
The whole point of doing the raid is so…
- Fun
- For gear
- For gold
- #3 for #2 so you can do #1.
When you bus, you lose all of #1, most of #3, and #2 is just as bad b/c you already lost gold and need gear and the bonus box for gear cost gold…
Then say you want to funnel gold to main from an alt for #1, but you lose most of #3… so what’s the point lol.
Also, people don’t even see how the problem just gets worse. New players take the busses b/c of gatekeeping, they never learn the raid, they still never get accepted into groups, and they eventually just quit. Then… normal players complain groups are too hard to form, cause everyone gets referred to the bussers… so they quit eventually too. lol… then the bussers get upset because they have no customers and can’t play the normal game without the normal players.
The bussers don’t care about this, the new players think this is going to change things for them and the normal players are just normies. I guess the only time bussing even matters is when you already don’t play the game.
In any case, when SG balances things should never consider bussing as a reason of value.
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When you buy a bus you will gain GOLD and GEARS with LESS TIME and EFFORT. FUN will be in the future when you have enough GOLD and GEAR to play the character.
If you buy a bus with your 1460 Main/Alt means 2 things:
- You dont have enough time or too lazy to do it.
- You dont have the ENGRAVINGS to make into the PARTY.
You are wrong here. People who buy bus knows what they’re doing and have plans for the character in the future. Nobody create an account, level up a character then bus every raid the game have upto to the end.
The bus aint free bro lol.
lol by not playing the game, and referring all the new players to not play the game, you can plan for the future for how to not play the game. Then when you can finally play the game, everyone is planning to not play the game because let’s just bus.
Really? think about it. Your scenario only works when it’s not the majority. Lobbies are 75-85% bus services.
Anyways, I don’t care if bussing is right or wrong if you should do it or not… if it exists or not. This is another topic of its own.
But to pretend like it’s not destroying major parts of the game would be lying to yourself. When you take a bus, you don’t need to play the game at all and this removes most aspects of the mmo. Got a new friend playing? Just tell him to bus till he’s ready to play at 1500 ilevel lol.
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When you BUY a BUS.
READ.
Again, READ!
When you buy a bus, you aren’t getting all the gold you need for things like honing, increasing quality, buying books, stones, acessories you can’t find.
You are literally trading the gold for the bus. lol Are you confused? You don’t profit from the run like you think do you do running it normally. It’s IMPLIED, maybe you need to THINK instead of just READING lol.
Again. READ!
I said when you have enough gold. Cant you read and understand?
At this point maybe you responded to the wrong post.
I said the busses kill how the game is meant to be played b/c no1 is looking for groups normally to do raids, players aren’t actually even playing/learning the game to be able to participate later, not gaining rote experience/knowledge etc. on top of how much slower you’re going to be earning progression b/c you pay for services with part of that gold etc.
Doesn’t matter if ‘eventually in 1 year of busses’ i got my set or 5 accessories? You never played the game, never joined another group who needed another player? You contributed nothing to keep that aspect of the game alive.
Anyways, I already said if your plan is to just do nothing, and play for nothing but yourself then it’s all good cuz SG don’t care anyways. I’m just addressing why it’s bad for the base of the game. Of course, if you already don’t play the game, then bussing is good. Maybe this could work if you play strictly in a static and only need the service, but this is def not the majority nor what is happening. People simply get pointed to the bussing services, new, normal or hardcores.
People who playing from day 1 have gone through everything step by step, we wiped infinitely on Vertus, Helgia, Fire fox, Scorpion and many more. We wiped infinitely on abyss raid also, We honed through t2 without any buff, but were having fun and not rushing. Now we are getting fruits for our struggle by bussing people on multiple alts. Also game is very easy compared to when it was released as because of 100 different buffs and mat prices are 100 times lower.
I think game is in good position and bussing is not bad at all, if you are not interested in bussing make your group and you will find people in 5 mins max assuming you are decently geared.
There are always non-bus groups going. Stop crying, game is fantastic, everyone is good at game now, new skins are sexy, and big gap between raids made new raids easily accessible for any type of player, you should be ready for Kuku with 5x3 and lvl 7 gems if you been playing game f2p and smartly.
Pheons are bit of a issue which can be easily solved by reducing accessories pheon cost. but accessories are something you gonna keep until ancient, if you are buying relic accessories to make 4x3 then it is you issue not game issue as you are wasting pheons.
Yeah well back in my day we walked to school in 8 feet of snow uphill both ways.
because sometimes, id rather watch netflix than doing it 6 times a week to avoid burn out and not miss out the gold.
I mean if you are at 6 characters that can run vykas already I don’t doubt that you would rather watch Netflix than keep burning through the content loop each week.
Keep playing different classes helped, but yeah some weeks I do get tired out, this is the intended usage of bus in KR as well tbh.
Yeah it’s a very fair argument as well. I have 3 Vykas ready and 1 (almost 2) clown ready and have been pretty consistent on clearing all daily/weekly content each week. Hard to say it isn’t getting exhausting and mundane.
I think bussing in general is fine, driver gets extra cash, riders get to watch netflix.
Only thing I am against however is that people not on ilvl getting access to gold where they were otherwise not able to get, which is 1370 gets full p3 gold rewards.
Of course there is the argument of insane pheon cost and I do get why people don’t want to properly gear up their characters at 1370 when it is instantly obsolete with 50k gold(can be cheaper with loads of shards and GHL saved) honing in 10 min.
Argos being a 3 gate 3 GS without a exit per gate makes it acceptable that it would be bussed.
I don’t want to bus my 1370 lopang alts, but it’s a waste not to. I’m not about to push them to 1400 right now so it just is what it is
Bussing in WoW existed well before then. People paid for arena rating.
Every game that has group content and progression, bussing exists in some form. Even helping your low level friend catch up to you by running them through content is technically bussing.
People just never think about it because “it’s fine for me, not for you”