I can’t say that I noticed any of this since if we go by what was the ultimate commitment filter for most of the players that title goes to Vykas. When we were doing Valtan and Argos everyone was having tons of fun playing the game, granted that many of our casual friends quit the game not even reaching Valtan since the release cadence was so horrifyingly bad that I as a degen hours player back then was the only one clearing Valtan HM for a solid month+ before I started doing Valtan Normal runs with my friends who barely made it there. So it was pretty much horrible right from the get go. But then Vykas came out and we tried doing Vykas runs and… everyone just quit. The raid is so horrifyingly bad that majority of our friends just decided to quit the game entirely because they’d rather be doing literally anything else than Vykas, and to this day even with extremely overgeared characters players still hate the raid with a passion. It is the worst possible thing the game could’ve ever done content-wise and the raid should’ve been resigned with whoever designed it and be redesigned with an entirely different crew that couldn’t have possibly made it worse if they tried
So after skimming majority of the players what’s next? Clown G3. Another barrier of entry for tons of players. Then came Brel G5-6 and at this point you’re down to the fractions of the playerbase. The raid content in this game is not good and it’s overly glorified by those who have remained partially because of copium and feelings of accomplishments. BHM might break the remaining bunch even more, but we lost over 95% of the players enjoying raid content ages ago. Raids in the game after Valtan are simply not very well designed
I couldnt do brel h with my static this week, didnt think it would be such a big deal, it took me 1 full day to finish g1-2 hard and i wasted another full day just trying to finish another g1-2 wich failed miserably, stuck for hours on g2, it is an awfull pugging experience, people dying outside nonstop, prokel players fail often even as a 3 man prokel, if you dont have a static pugging is hell, players got used to overgear all content but most have no real skill whatsoever nor take the time to properly learn the raid mechanics.
A lot of people here seem to think people quit because of difficulty of the game, which most of the time isn’t true. The end game content of this game is not a progression, it’s a farm from day one, rewards are absolute garbage, so you are expected to clear it MANY MANY times per week for months. The amount of stuff we have to do every week is absurd, and considering a lot of these stuff can be annoying, having to do with random people just makes it worse.
This game doesn’t respect your time and that’s why people quit.
Personally, I agree with most of what you said, and I always enjoy reading your posts.
Although, I wouldn’t single out Vykas to be the worst. I don’t like Vykas, and I don’t do Vykas hard, but since I got jailed a few times I learned normal Vykas inside and out and now I kinda enjoy it on most characters (not on sorc, though, it’s agonizing to play that raid on Sorc)
G3 Kakul dogshit.
And I’m just gonna have to trust your words on Brel g5-6.
I agree that they’ve gone overboard with making the raids un-bussable. There’s absolutely no other reason why they’d make it like they are now. I’m 100% sure that from Valtan forward every raid was designed with preventing solo bussing in mind, but the end result is that you can get jailed for hours without making a single mistake.
what bothers me is that most of the time, mechs have nothing to do with combat. Pass the colored ball through the gate, put the square in the square mark, use the correct emote…this is silly. it puts the entire encounter to a halt and you have to perform the mini puzzle no. 1481481 to progress the fight…i want to whack things.
For me interesting mechs are performed while hitting the boss, not these minigames, which is 90% of raids unfortunately. Cube is hard as fuck with its normal patterns and i appreciate that, but there are still boring mechs in it.
I always said it and I will say it again Valtan is by far the best raid content this game had. Doesn’t have too many bullshit mini games, doesn’t instantly fail if someone dies, is always a threat no matter your ilvl since you can fall down, only 2 gates, doesn’t require too many battle items, doesn’t require too much party coordination, just go there and fight the boss.
I just cannot believe how people glorify the fights in this game so much.
Yeah and the thing is that… these raids are still bussable. And even if you need 4 players instead of 2 the players will just get a premium to end up with the same amount or even more of gold incentive because if the bussing difficulty goes up with 2 additional player requirement, then when it thins out things a bit it also creates more volume and demand for those who do the busses
I would 100% single out Vykas myself not based just on my personal experiences but what I’ve seen overall on the forums, discords, reddit, youtube, twitch and twitter. Everyone pretty much hates Vykas despite the booba memes. It might be more doable than Kuku G3 for example, but when it’s so early in the game it just kills the casual interest in the game and it’s design introduced a large proportion of gatekeeping to the game. It’s a devastating raid for the game
True, I never even looked at it that way, lol, but yeah you’re exactly right. More bussers needed per raid means more bussing lobbies are required for the same amount of customers. Not to mention even the number of customers are probably going up, at least in relative terms compared to previous raids. In absolute terms, that number goes down with the number of players, naturally.
It is what it is though. At the moment my only problem is how to clear the clown before the end of the week, lol.
i mean i have 12 gls, main is 1590 5 alts at 1560 (one by one going to 1590) and non gold are 1490s, gold earners got max brel gear just at 1-4, just ran 5-6 a couple of time but not worth it, dont have the time to deal with all that crap… clown is a joke now a days, skip all g1/g2 and m3/m4 in g3, not even 1 bingo and is dead.
ultimate goal to get gold would be akkan normal (which i get this title that will kill PLC and ill skip all together) / kayangel / clown.
not gonna run akkan hard and in time will run theamine normal / elixir dungeon / akkan normal) and pretend brel never existed
im going to get full brel ancient just by running 1-2 hard and 3-4 normal
I also just do 1-4 on my main and only 1-2hm on my alts. I guess we still have enough time atleast for one character to hone slowly for akkan nm.
If I would have known that what I know now when I started the game I would also have never pushed my characters beside my main or play 3 times same DPS and 3 times same support as character instead of 6 different.
It is quite sad having guildies that you slowly became friends with, playing almost everyday every week with, quit the game to focus on irl or play other games. Discords that were full slowly become more and more dead.
I’ll keep playing as long as I can, as long as its still fun for me
but hopefully I can play with them again in whatever games come along next.
Thank god someone got the right idea, I quit because i farm in this game so I can do the latest content on main while having fun with static and when every static i joined are always bunch of losers who are just worried about rested choas + guardians and clearing other raids too and act like Scrubs while progging it kills the fun. I have progged every raid with different statics and none of them ever learnt to have fun in video games, they treat it like their time is on high stackes. It is game design flaws too for relasing everything same day + most community left have never played MMO before, these are all Legue/POE/BDO players who don’t know how to talk to a another human being and what respect means in raiding because all OG MMO players have left LA long ago and now me too.
Hmm for whom? When I started playing I had no knowledge about the game at all. There’s just 1 person I know of, that follows Ko news about the game. It might be relevant to NA, but in EU, people I play with give literally 0 fks about streamers and other social media crap. We didn’t even know what Brelshaza is till we got it.
Its not that brel was a huge dissapointment for me, there are some gates i really enjoy like g4 but whats the point of having a fun raid when you saturate the game with so many chores that by the time you finish with them theres barely any time to raiding, it just promotes toxicity and makes everyone stressed out to finish the raid as fast as possible, in the end unless you play with friends the raid is either an overkill or real struggle, ofc you could just skip all the chores but then you end up having to use all the gold you make for buying mats wich is far from ideal.
That’s fair. I also didn’t know anything about LA before the game came out, only that I a know a lot of folks that started playing and watched the Brel video (since it was end game content for us at launch) and got motivated to see that fight.
Naturally everyone played for their own reasons.
Hopwever I will say dozens of players I’ve known have all said they lost motivation after Brel NM since they got to see the fight and Brel HM just wasn’t exciting enough content to stay motivated to grind and daily chores.
Friends are what has kept me playing since Clown release. I’d have left a long time ago if it were just me pugging without the folks I play with and the community I joined early on.
With all the garbage happening lately, gold nerf/super hard to hone to current content, super hard to make a decent build, all the heavy weighted rng makes Very clear that sg does not give a damn about players and only push as hard as they can to make people to swipe.
They can get away with it there in kr, but sadly for them, the massive reactiom they are having on global is to make people quit In loads…
They either soften things for our version or there will be no people left, you know whales as massives as they are, they feed from and follow planton as small as they are all around the planet… Whales go to where planton is and not the other way around.
Now everything about this game is declining
Fewer people playing LA
Book price dropping by half
Even the number of bots is declining
Do bots quit as well or it’s just no longer profitable for them
