Just help, i can't have the world focusing me. (Bard)

[Kinos]

Just like the title i can’t have the world just focusing me, i got pretty good advices in other post i made in the Arena (was able to go back to gold but fallen again many times), but they just focus me and i can’t do a thing.

I just can’t figure it out, i try to use the FOV stuff but that is = far away from team mates being a easy target because the team mates want to be at the enemie FOV, and there is always one that somehow are on the good FOV.

So anything you think is relevant from experience to tell about against each class our certain paths your prefer to take in certain situation that you think is relevant, please tell me and treat me like a kid be detailed if possible, use images or videos, just words is like having a plain recipe for bread and you fail to make it because you don’t have the same equipamets, don’t know what they used and how they used their ingredients. I only learned about the FOV recently in the day i made the other post (and wasn’t from that post i learned it).

I don’t want to be Diamond/Master/Grandmaster, i just want to be Gold/Platinum (Mainly gold with 1800~1899 MMR), atleast not going back to silver.

It was said “Know most of this and easy Platinum”, well something must be wrong with brain and hands, because that seems impossible.

The main thing now that i’m pretty used to it is to know when the enemy is with T1, T2 super armor or T3 immunity, but well it doesn’t matter if he is after me because i will get hit and die (or at least have 30% HP remaining).

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“Bard has a lot of Super Armor so you won’t go down”

Well whats is the point of having that much if you stay in the same spot for a long time for a easy Hard CC? DB for example i know her combo just for getting hit by it, my T2 SA rotation is useless because is easy stun for her

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“If you know their combo/engage is easy to Hard CC them”

99% of time i try it result in my getting staggered because my Hard CC is unprotected and entering CD, probably because of ping (140~170ms), but well i can’t rely on that

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“Be at a safe position/distance”

What in the world is a safe position/distance?

• Going one direction = Someone else hugging me making easy for the enemy.

• Trying to Create a little distance going back = stuck in the base because “why not retreat if the bard walked back a little”

I try to be more at back and using my skill in a more reactive way but that result in my allies just allowing someone going to the back line and don’t care about me, it’s pain and rage, they just allow this to happen.

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“Escape in the direction to your allies”

For what? to get in the range of the enemies attack and being focused by more?

“For them to help you, your dumbass”

Do you think this happens? the better scenery is that they throw a T2 CC on the one focusing me and continue going after the other, but little do they know that i’m on the ground with skills in CD, without my Stand Up neither my Space bar for trying to survive before and the enemy likely have theirs, so what changed?

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“Be at a safe position your idiot”

Again what is a safe position, against all classes??? Because every range of my skill in only in a small dash away from the others, so i will get caught.

You’re a mage not a melee"

Unfortunately in the case of the team mates staying hugging each others only happens in my team, so the enemies are everywhere and not hugging each other, i don’t have time to quickly be at a good position and protect my team mates, the time i position myself my team mates already got a full combo.

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You’re just bad, don’t know how to counter engage and move?

Tell me how please, i will counter with what?

• Prelude of Storm = cancelled by stagger and entering CD

• Rhythm Buckshot = mostly the enemy going a little bit further in my side/back and i failing to use it or it has T2 Super Armor

• Sonic Vibration = Easy stun because the animation is quite long or the enemy has a protected dash or Hard CC, or they just ignore and use their T2 Super Armor Combo (talking about you DeathBlade).

• Guardian Tune then the rest = if i be so selfish to use only when they jump i would get Hard CC before the Buff is applied by the ones who can start quickly using Hard CC. Oh yeah it will also be cancelled by it and entering CD.

How to move… how to move… how to move… well i can’t move that is it almost a fact, most of their combos are T2 CC so using March is asking to be ground MVP, using dash i think is the right thing but to where and what next? Use March, well their always catch me and have T2 CC, go to allies well that end in the case mentioned before.

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Use the fucking FOV

Explain me in a babystep how, just how to make it work for at least half of the match in that arena where somehow they are everywhere, unless you want me to be the enemy side alone?
Like i said if i do that i will get alone most of time because is very hard to make them to be at your left or right.

Don’t you know their skill range?

Well it seems to have more than me or their can quickly catch me, so or i don’t see them for them to not see me or i try to help my team.

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I’m just frustated, they jump on my like i’m Moake that can give the Omnium Star and don’t stop because quickly noticed my team don’t give a fuck.
I saw videos from Kanon, Cindydramg, Lin-0, Laufie (very few video on youtube), but mostly is only words that make sense but is hard to apply or they say you shouldn’t do that but don’t say what should be done or what also could have been done. Or they could have said all of that and even more but somehow my brain may not work like most of people.

[Wseno]

You seem a bit desesperated, first of all a few topics which might interest you :

Positioning Guide by the Rank 1 EU

This guide will concern the fundamentals about positioning, if you have precise questions, don’t hesitate. The map looks like this : [LA1] A column will give you an immediate pressure on opponents in A/B B column will help you to counter the ones who try to reach your back via C and will give you the best reactivity to help your mates of the sides C column will help you to take your opponents by surprise You should move on the map in order to get the best FOV Fov reminder: If you are le…

How to get better by the Rank 1 EU

One of the numerous problems of Lost ark PvP is the lack of guidance, this is why after making the positioning guide, i will try to share more advices if you want to improve quickly in PvP. First part: the beginning: Choose a class that you like without looking at any tier list. Check your spells and just read them Create your builds and test them in normal game Check the builds created by top players, try them, and compare them with yours Learn how the fov works Learn how the cc system works …

Bard looking for Advices in Ranked

I’m stuck, hard to climb Elo, i feel that just playing won’t help much and i will be relying too much on luck with teammates, i readed some guides before and watched some bard videos and really didn’t help much because they were guides without gameplay and gameplay without explanation, so i recorded my last 10 matches that i believe is enough to understand my level and i will post here seeking advice on my mistakes and what i could have done in certain situation. Is just raw un-edited videos ar…

Secondly, i would recommend you to add a replay of one or two of your games, you would directly get accurate advices from your gameplay

Most of your problems are linked with your high ping, supports often play in reaction and dodge in the last seconds, when your ping is that high, you need to be way more in the anticipation and to do that, you need more knowledge about other classes.
You probably won’t have time to get this knowledge before the end of the season, but there are still things to do like i mentionned above.

Concerning your kit, you might not use your skills properly, so i will make a little reminder with a short description:

1. Rythm Buckshot: T2 SA : It has a little range but a really quick animation, good players might try to bait this skill so don’t be too much in the anticipation, wait for them to get really close range before using this skill

2. Sonic vibration: T2 SA , it’s a good AOE skill, if you use this skill against classes in range to stun you, it means you failed something in your spacing (keeping your opponent at a suitable distance)

3. Rhapsody of Light: T2 SA , really good to temporize and survive to a burst, if you are focused and nobody is helping you, then you need to be selfish, your main goal as a support is first: saving your HP, then saving your team

4. Identity: T2 SA, you get the level 1 identity pretty often, it can be used to dodge a CC

5. Guardian Tune: T2 SA, unless you haven’t your space, and your opponent still has his Hard CC, it’s a safe option to temporize and dodge a CC, and it will give you a T3 SA which can be really useful later in the fight

Guardian Tune-> March/Buckshot depending the situation can get you out of trouble most of the time

6. March : T1 SA , it requieres experience and a good awareness to quickly swap to a T2 SA when an opponent is trying to CC you, it can be really usefull to slow an opponent after a CC so they won’t be able to chase you, or trying to get out of stagger skills such as Gunslinger ones

7. Prelude of Storm: Hard CC, you want to use this skill while the opponent is casting or trying to gap close, knowing the range perfectly wil lhelp you to not get stagger/cancel, the main problem is your ping, so in your case, outplaying with this spell isn’t the best choice

8. Awakening: All immunity, in the case you have nothing to use, don’t be afraid of using it and pinging your mates so they can try to get it

9. Spacebar: Most players at this mmr makes so error of using their spacebar too quickly, keep to to dodge important skill such as Hard CC, same for your roll, don’t be in a hurry, you can sometimes stay on the ground to bait a huge skill of your opponent before dodging it.

Hard CC → Spacebar
Tanking a burst → Rhapsody
Cornered-> Awakening
Safe position-> Repositioning with March, aware that you will probably have to use a T2 SA directly if someone jump on you

With all of this, you can stall a lot of time, you will have numerous opportunities to get out and outplay, lastly there is something called buffering, which can accelerate a little your gameplay, there is a video about it in the second topic linked above: it’s the fact of queueing up an ability ,by pressing/spamming the key while you are casting another one, so it fires off instantly

[Kinos]

Well, yes i’m desesperated because of the ranking rewards, i would to like at least the Platinum Mount or if i will gain only the stronghold structure so be the highest i can get (Gold).

I readed those before but seems i didn’t understand at all, i will read again after i wake up and may take a afternoon studying it, so if there are any other stuff you think is could be relevant or of help i will appreciate it.

So, the last post you recommended is mine, so all of the 10 videos are my gameplay, i changed a little in the part of just spamming skills actively, but it seems i still have a horrible position and i’m just caught every time, like you said i can’t just outplay with quick react because of the ping, so i need to figure it out another way, or maybe use other skills, not sure if will be worth.
Next Night (in around 20h) i will make other videos of how i will be playing currently and post it later.

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I quite understand my SA and CC but a lot of time because of the ping (or so i believe) it get cancelled by a stagger even a super armor one, like before Rhythm Buckshot, awakening, rhapsody, i think all can get cancelled the use, but the ones with SA don’t enter in CD.

About using prelude when the opponent is casting or trying to gap close, trust me if the opponent is using toward me i will get staggered and my Prelude will enter in CD, even knowing it i still try to use to stop them, if the opponent is focusing a ally i can use it without problem if i’m somehow safe without being focused.

Awakening a lot of time get cancelled the use by a stagger, so is quite hard to use it well, there a lot of time that i just must avoid to use it because i’m quite low HP and i will die during the animation because somehow is kinda slow, not sure it has anything to do with ping, same things for March sometimes is kinda slow.

Oh yes, i’m the type to just use the spacebar because i want to live so i just spam it, mainly against Martial Artists or DeathBlade with their long combos. I will try to bait a early awakening or fail and almost die in the process.

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Hard CC → Spacebar

Quite hard i must say because of the ping (it seems i’m just giving the ping excuse) or because of animation lock or they are very close to me and the only way to dodge is going to their back in the opponents side and die. Sometimes is also cancelled my Spacebar.

Tanking a burst → Rhapsody

I can’t react to it at all, the moment i notice is a awakening use i’m already staggered, on the ground or i try to press Rhapsody hotkey but is too late already, i think i need to notice when they are greed to use the awake (mainly sorc).

Safe position-> Repositioning with March, aware that you will probably have to use a T2 SA directly if someone jump on you

Ok, but to where? I understand now that using March alone to try and escape is kinda useless unless the opponent is in a long animation lock like the spin of destroyer. But still i don’t know where and how it look the said Safe position, it may be on one of the post you linked so i will see it when i wake up.

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I don’ think i can stall time at all, because like i said i’m focused a lot so i can’t move and do things, i get my skills cancelled so is hard to use Rhapsody to protect myself unless i use to stagger the opponent before they jump on me, even my awakening get cancelled a lot and i just lost a ton of HP to the point it’s risk to try to ult again because i will die in the animation.

I think i saw the buffering video, but it seems i only understand a part of it, that is about protected movements skills that can become unprotected if you click to walk with the mouse when using the skills, i think this was why i couldn’t escape stagger skills with March so i stopped using my mouse when using it. I have no ideia if i can fire off instantly something with Bard, if there is how it can help a lot like with Prelude or Awakening.

[Wseno]

@Kinos

So, the last post you recommended is mine, so all of the 10 videos are my gameplay,

I didn’t sleep much too, i didn’t even remark
I will analyze your 10th game where you faced Striker-Deathblade-Paladin and focus on the question you asked, i think it’s the kind of game where you get focused and don’t feel able to do anything to counter them:

Repositioning:

Goal : You want to look for a safe spot far from the threats in order to stay alive
Where: As far as possible from the danger
Second play: You are cornered, using your awakening could have been interesting

Anticipating:

Goal: You want to be ready to counter engage by using your T2 SA
How: Keep an eye on your cooldown, don’t be afraid of wasting one T2 SA (it’s better than being on the ground with your CD up) , especially the AOE one by trying to anticipate
The moment an opponent is melee, you are already in danger, you need to get ready to use your defensive skills

Cd management:

Problem: you used an important defensive skill to finish a target while you had an other spell available
How to resolve it: it’s better not finishing a target than wasting a rapshody/skill, your mates will finish it for you, prepare yourself for the next move

Skill choice + Spacing

Close range/Counter engage: Buckshot
Zoning helping from range: Sonic vibration/Prelude of Storm
Spacing problem: You want to stay at distance, don’t close it up for free just for helping a mate

Awakening timing:

Opponents are pushing + You are grouped + You are high enough in HP = An opportunity to use your awakening, it should be automatic, with your ping, you have less time to think then react about this kind of situation

Spacing/Dash direction:

Your dash should be used to create distance, to a safe place, closing up with the opponents is most of the time a bad decision

Same for your Roll

General advice:

1. Stay behind your mates when you can, even if you having a passive gameplay or useless, your time will come, just stay behind them, analyze the situation then make your play
2. Saving your HP > saving your team
3. Stay at distance, you have no reason to go at melee

Your ping is definitely not helping, that’s why you need to be even more cautious
Gl on your Grind

[Ouvertuere]

Hi,

I found another bard player which is in my opinion the best so far!
Its “Emergencyservice” in EUC. And he is simply great!

Twitch

But his play style is pretty aggressive, and he also uses march just as a mobility for positioning or keeping up in pace with his mobile dps classes. ^^

He knows excactly what he is doing, how long his reach is in terms of spells. He maxes out his reach of prelude of storm just hitting the opponent on the very end.

He also knows when to hit with regard to being able to land a cc and what is worth to hit like fending off opponents. He is simply amazing!

With regard to his youtube account he seems to be a very experienced pvp player in general.
Also in terms of his mothertogue I might guess he already started with the game in Russia. So my assumption is he should be playing LoA for quite a while, also with other classes.

But still its simply amazing how accurate his playstyle is! Its so much fun to watch!

Edit 1:
But his little bard also gets beaten up every now and then and he also does not win every game. He doesnt explain much, or I just dont understand because of Russian, but whe he analyses the scores afterwards when loosing you see he will point to the dps which didnt pull its weight. So its not always yourself. Its still a team game.

Edit 2:
I dont know if that applys also in e-sports, having done competitive sports myself, I know practice is the best way to get better. Sometimes you get worse before you get better, and sometimes changing something that works which you doesnt fathome why, but will understand later helps also.
I also know gifts are also only given at Christmas. Being the best version of yourself just takes time. Some are faster, some need more repetitions. But that doesnt necessarily mean that the faster ones continue to be the better ones.

[Wseno]

It’s a russian player and Summoner main named Lakich, currently elo sitting in grandmaster on Paladin, he is training his Bard on a smurf. He isn’t the best Bard EUC but is far from being the worse, you can learn a lot of things from his replays:
From the first game of this replay: Twitch

1. Beginning of the game:
   

   
   
   Zoning with march directly at the beginning to prevent an engage or slowing down the opponent engaging

2. Spacing
   

   
   
   He likes using his spacebar to create distance with the opponent and to reposition behind a mate
   His goal: creating enough distance to reach a safe spot and being able to react to a second engage

3. Defensive skills
   

   
   
   Opponent engaging + No hard CC available for him = Sonic Vibration, keep in mind you are not protected after the casting of the skill

4. Triangle formation
   

   
   
   Instead of exposing himself, keeping the triangle formation is the good choice, the opponents can’t reach him and he is able to peel for both of his mates

5. Spacing mistake
   

   
   
   You can learn a lot from him but don’t copy everything, i mentioned it before but as a Bard, in most of situation, you don’t want to gap close to the opponent , it will only lead you to being catch or losing HP

6. Agressive plays
   

   
   
   If there is enough distance between you and your opponents, you can look for catch with Sonic Vibration, this AOE zoning skill is very effective
   You can also anticipate by holding the skill as he did, so you are already ready to use it
   
   

7. Rolling
   

   
   
   An example of roll to dodge a skill at the right timing and to reposition, his roll wasn’t perfect, he should have gone a bit more near the left to the Artillerist turret and his mate. Against better players he could get caught a second time by isolating himself like this

At close range, he has the reflex to use buckshot, a reflex you should get, it’s really effective

8. Spacing example 2
   

   
   
   He used his spacebar to get away from the Striker, allowing himself to go near to top of the map where his mates are, that’s what you should do.
   Using spacebar to dodge an important skill such as a Hard CC or to create distance and reposition yourself near a place where the opponents aren’t

9. CD management mistake
   

   
   
   You might do this pretty often, missing your stun because you tried to hit max range a target in movement, look for easier situation, there will be a lot of them, this kind of risky moves aren’t worth the rewards most of the time because even if hit your stun, if you or your mates can’t follow up then it’s useless

10. Good usage of March
    

    
    
    He is at a safe distance from the deathblade so you won’t be CC, he can quickly reposition while slowing down the opponent
    Using space + March is the best way to quickly create distance but you expose yourself to a hard CC if the opponent catch up

[Kinos]

Just finished my daily stuff so soon i will go into the study session for the rest of afternoon and evening to see if i can understand decently before playing at night, but first i will share the way i’m thinking currently about your advices.

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How do you consider those two direction a safe place?

Down = cornered because the two at left and the one at the top going towards me, making me use the awakening that i quite started to use a lot in those situation even if is like 5 seconds after the match started.

Top = hello paladin, want me? not that bad because is a paladin but there is a lot of time that the one at the top is the one that jumped on me first sight and i tried to run to team mates with everything in CD and low HP, so going back is like giving a free kill, i don’t know how would i survive it.

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That match i couldn’t think right and i think it sticked now, i tried to use Sonic, but it was in 1 second CD, you can notice me pressing a lot before being CC’ed. I could have used Rhythm first but i didn’t even though about it, i just spammed Sonic hotkey.

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Like i said my mind was not right that match, i don’t use anymore Rhapsody like that, only if they jump on me right after and i try to protect myself but the skills get cancelled.

There is a lot of time that they don’t finish and go after the other ones, so i had to somehow finish and then sometimes they just try to go back after i killed it ignoring the other one that they had focused and was quite low. . . I lost some matchs because of that, so it sticked this scenery.

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That one i think i just tried to help somehow, i could have used Raphsody but somehow i decided to try and use Rhythm, perhaps because i though she would change targets to me instead, no idea, not sure if i still do that.

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I was greed with this Soundholic and wanted to use it all, normally i would already have used my awakening by this point when we first where cornered or i would have used Raphsody, but likely i would get staggered before be able to use any of those unless i use before a little before she got up.

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I have no idea why i did that, normally i only do that to get close to a ally to use my awakening, but most of time it get cancelled by a stagger like the one from paladin there. Maybe i was just desesperated to escape the paladin skill somehow, but i normally go more to away from the enemy now, but don’t help much they caugh me anyway.

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Now about the general advices from what i experience recently.

1. Stay behind your mates when you can, even if you having a passive gameplay or useless, your time will come, just stay behind them, analyze the situation then make your play

Not possible most of the matchs, when i try to be more at back there is another team mate hugging me and when i try to be even more at back they interpret like it’s to retreat and we get insta cornered, or we are stuck at the base or if somehow i’m at the back not cornered and not in the base they just allow someone to go the backline to fuck me up and i can’t do a thing, i said way above the reason why i can’t do a thing if they jump on me (Mainly Martial Artist and DeathBlade).

1. Saving your HP > saving your team

Pretty much what i said before don’t allow me to save HP, trying to use T2 SA rotation is = easy Hard CC and then followed of all their combo and then ending with me death or with very low HP. If i get caught and can very well just accept it because is likely to not get help.

1. Stay at distance, you have no reason to go at melee

I try and most of time it don’t fucking matter because they easily can do only a dash and be right at me, sometimes i try to be even further but then i miss all the skills like Prelude and Raphsody, even Sonic need to be in a easy enemy reach to be able to use it.

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How do people were high elo in RU with high ping? did they used VPN or the russians just don’t play PvP at all?

I can’t even be at Platinum decently, i don’t even want to be more than that, of course if possible would be great but my goal is Platinum at max and gold at min.

Maybe i will have to decorate all the class Skill CD but that will take a lot of time and i can’t create other characters and spend gold in each of team to unlock Trixion.

[Wseno]

@Kinos

How do you consider those two direction a safe place?

Down: They are focusing your mate, you are in good range to peel for her, your buckshot was ready, stun coming up soon, your awakening was ready too

Top: One of your mate is already at the top + the opponent is a Paladin + you still have a defensive CD, you should be able to be safe

These 2 choices are way better than gap closing and going between all of them.

@Kinos

I can’t even be at Platinum decently

You won’t be platinum if you keep saying: " Not possible", " I can’t", “it doesn’t fucking matter”, “they caught me anyway”. You need the mindset.
If some players did it, then you can do it too, your ping is 140ms, it’s playable.

Streaming while getting advices might be a better choice if you want to quickly improve to achieve your goal

[Kinos]

Down: They are focusing your mate, you are in good range to peel for her, your buckshot was ready, stun coming up soon, your awakening was ready too

I was using Raphsody on her, but the enemy pushed her away from it, i tried to position my self to use Prelude of Storm after it come out of CD, if you rewatch you will notice that i was pressing it but i was staggered first (the Skill hotkey have a orange border when you use it or try to use), and i don’t think i would have a good range for Rhythm buckshot. If i had gone down like you said i doubt that it would be that different because it would be in range of one of the DB skills.

Yes, there i had awakening, but recently after i made this video and start trying to follow your other advice i normally use it in this kinda of situation but right after it end somehow we get the same scenario being cornered like that.

Top: One of your mate is already at the top + the opponent is a Paladin + you still have a defensive CD, you should be able to be safe.

Yes, one of my mates was at the top focusing Paladin but he just ignored her? and she just go around the entire B2 to C1/2.
Yes, the opponent was a paladin, recently scenarios like this the one at the place of the Paladin was a DPS that had focused me, made me use all my skills and Spacebar, left me with less than 50% HP and it’s at the top of me, would it still better go to the top on those cases?

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You won’t be platinum if you keep saying: " Not possible", " I can’t", “it doesn’t fucking matter”, “they caught me anyway”. You need the mindset.
If some players did it, then you can do it too, your ping is 140ms, it’s playable.

I think this made even more me believe that somehow my brain work different, what would be this mindset? how that changing it would make things work somehow? This never worked for me being “positive” because that won’t change how things work, it won’t change the enemy focusing me, i won’t change my team mates retreating leaving me with no back line, it won’t change my skills get cancelled.

• “Not possible”: trying to do that make me cornered in a wall or inside the Base with no space at all, so kinda hard to have a backline, mainly if there is a sorc because it seems they always want to me be their frontline.

• “I can’t”: Ok, that may have been unnecessary about the Elo, but is true when i’m being focused i can’t do a thing because i can’t move neither use skills.

• “it doesn’t fucking matter”: I believe that was about protecting me with the SA rotation, but true it don’t help, at least i can’t make it help, if use the T2 SA rotation is easy Harc CC stun if they have T2 SA on their skill, if not they just manage to use before my Sonic is applied like in case of DeathBlabe, well i can start trying to use Raphsody instead of Sonic but not sure if will be a good idea just to use for me like that.

• “they caught me anyway”: Isn’t that true? They seems to always have a dash or a longer range skill with T2 CC to get me, i will try to use Rhythm Buckshot for that but it won’t be enough because some classes have their dash as a T2 SA, i will try to use another skill if i have them, but is likely to be in CD, i will just hope for them to not have Hard CC at that point.

I also think 140ms it’s playable, it just don’t make very good to react fast because the T1 or T2 CC will be applied first than my Hard CC or my T2 SA.

Maybe the key of all of this is Guardian Tune somehow, i try to use when the enemy engage but always have one at me so the use get cancelled by their CC, if i try to use earlier the enemy don’t attack and the allies continue doing what they are doing.

I will do a “cheat sheet” for each of the classes and their PvP skills with a resume of what it do, how it do, their CD, their combo and how many CD before doing the combo again. At least i will have a better clue of all their skills and CD.

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Streaming while getting advices might be a better choice if you want to quickly improve to achieve your goal

I really though about it, doing it and recording the match and watching after it again to try to see what could have be done and asking other opinions (if i had viewrs at all), but i never tried so i’m not sure how it would affect my PC performance, i have a Ryzen 5 3600 (3.60 GHz), 16 GB DDR4, 250MB SSD and GTX 1050TI, not sure if it use GPU.
One of the things that stop me from doing it is that English isn’t my native language and as a quiet guy i never tried to pronounce the words in english, so i won’t be able to pronounce at all, i will try to use Duolingo for a while to pronounce a little better before streaming, so it won’t happen this season, maybe a month in to the next one.

[Wseno]

@Kinos

would it still better go to the top on those cases?

Yes it’s better than going at the middle where you are a free target

@Kinos

trying to do that make me cornered

Better being cornered in a wall safe and able to react or losing all your HP because you are going front line ?

@Kinos

Isn’t that true?

No it’s not true if you play properly, and that’s the thing, because you don’t have enough knowledge, you don’t see the opportunities so you think it’s not possible and aren’t trying

What’s the point of asking advices if when you get them, you reply by: “but i can’t do better”, “isn’t possible”
Are you here so people pity you for the difficulties you are facing or are you here to improve

What you are doing isn’t working, start from your fundamentals then work on the details

You play Bard a support class: Your goal are

1. Having the right positioning to save your HP
2. Having the right positioning to save your team

[Kinos]

@Wseno

Yes it’s better than going at the middle where you are a free target

Oh, so not going to top right like you showed against paladin but top middle instead.

@Wseno

Better being cornered in a wall safe and able to react or losing all your HP because you are going front line ?

I’m sorry but i just can’t imagine it working, when being cornered in a wall is having little reaction time with a team mate almost at the same place than me and having both of us being combed, so i can’t imagine that being a safe place, at least not when i’m playing.
I will be honest some time it piss me off when the team don’t allow me to have a back line and straigh up retreat, so sometimes i don’t give a fuck and i try to be more at front and result in the same thing or even better because i won’t get caught together with someone else, so instead of starting with two with ~15% HP or death because two players focused us, it most of time is me with ~30% HP and other with ~50% HP because each one was focused by one player.

@Wseno

No it’s not true if you play properly, and that’s the thing, because you don’t have enough knowledge, you don’t see the opportunities so you think it’s not possible and aren’t trying

I won’t deny that i don’t have knowledge but i have no idea how to have them, just playing don’t seems to help.
But look, against striker and his female version that have the Jump with Hard CC (Freeze), i can’t do anything, the moment i see they jumping i can’t reacting not even with space, if i try to use guardian tune is quite long the animation compared to their jump so i wil be frozen. I may be wrong but i think their jump is T1 SA so i can use Rhythm Buckshot but i still will get frozen, i think this happened a few time they get hit by Rhythm and i got frozen. Using Prelude it get cancelled, enter CD and i become frozen.
Against BD is similar, using prelude get cancelled or i use SA Rotation and i get Stunned, Guardian Tune may get staggered before applying somehow, if it work i would have to spam the SA rotation that would be good.

I will need to learn how to notice when they jump or not.

@Wseno

What’s the point of asking advices if when you get them, you reply by: “but i can’t do better”, “isn’t possible”

The thing is i ask for advice but happen what i said with a Bread Recipe, you get the recipe but you fail to make it, i have the words, but i’m not able to make it work well.

@Wseno

Are you here so people pity you for the difficulties you are facing or are you here to improve

I’m trying to improve, i get the advices but don’t know how to apply them. It’s like you seeing a video of learning how to draw, what they say it make sense but when you try you fail, because they have a lot of “unconscious” knowledge that allow it to work for them. I do not have said knowledge neither know what are them or how i could start to learning them.

“Go to a safe Position”: What in the world is said safe position? you showed some direction and i said what happens if i go there, i can’t image the said safe position would work in said scenario. You said to use awakening on those, i can only do it one time if it repeats again i can’t use it, that’s why i tried to say that i wouldn’t have it.

Same things with using skills to react, their are cancelled, you said i need to anticipate even more, but how? i only know what they are doing because of their animation, without it i may very well consider that at any second they will jump and i will waste a skill like Prelude.

@Wseno

What you are doing isn’t working, start from your fundamentals then work on the details

What are the fundamentals? Positioning? SA and CC? Save HP? Save Team? Just saying yes and showing one scenario it isn’t helping because hardly i saw the exacly same thing, that’s why i said to treat my like a kid and be detailed and what could happens, not only one certain way.

@Wseno

Having the right positioning to save your HP

Again, just saying it is feels quite vague, i readed the positions guide and FOV, but you could say that there is enemy all top/middle/bottom of B2 covering everthing, you could say for me to go to A1/2/3 or C1/2/3 depending on what side i’m, but i will be alone in the frontline doing it, is hard to make them at my left/right and not being the frontline. When they jump on me is the same thing i said over an over again, i won’t be able to stop them.

@Wseno

Having the right positioning to save your team

I don’t need to say anything about, do i?

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I may be pissing you off, that isn’t my objective, you clearly have the knowledge, know what you are doing, but just saying is like the recipe or art example i give, it make sense but it seems it don’t work, it feel like something is missing to everything make sense. Or is just me that can’t understand. I will continue to use those phrase like “i can’t” because what else i’m suppose to say?