Just kinda curious why bots come back so fast after the recent update

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He didn’t say he wanted to. He was stating a fact.

You cannot stop the bots from making gold without also removing a lot of content from the game.

You cannot stop the bots from creating accounts if you don’t put some sort of tie to real life information.

You cannot stop the bots by banning them because they will very quickly figure out ways to bypass your bans.

In short, you cannot stop the bots.

It is not an easy problem. KR had it easy with their laws requiring real life ID to be tied to your account.

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In my world, if I write down white that is white, if I write black that is black. If I write down: “You’d have to remove…” that means what exactly the words mean, nothing else. Interpreting something differently like: " I wrote white but the real meaning is black, just you have a language barrier" is a false interpretation and obviously an attempt to bully someone because your IQ is low enough to do that. ( I mentioned the low IQ just because you accused me in your statement)

Just leave me alone, please. Thanks, have a good day.

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Ok now you’re just trolling dude. Let’s just leave it at this

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That’s not my style. GL&HF

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bans are effective, depending on how effectively you ban, and how long it takes to earn again.

If they could reliably ban many bots within a month of operation, the steam verification thing would work

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On the other side, we have AGS probably running on a skeleton crew, minimum salary, 9/5, no work on holidays. This is all speculation by looking at CM team, marketing team and huge customer service backlog.

One side is clearly outmatched.

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The real reason if because amazon isn’t taking real measure against the real source of the problem the players that buy gold from the botters when and if they start banning or negating the gold they buy you will see players affraid of doing such things and so the numbers of bots will go down by a lot.
TLDR as long as theres demand there will be bots.

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I assume they are not farming the “Chaos Vendor” at all, but they are farming “Chaos Weeklies” to buy gold chest’s.

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so basically AGS just punished real players. I mean its a well known fact, introduce frustration to the point where players have no choice but to swipe to get over a paywall.

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Yes, they love punishing F2P, cause that means bots take a hit as well, AGS thinks its worth it in the long run.

Mean while Russian servers/players are getting free pheons every week to buy stuff.

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Who told you bot farm gold from t1 t2 chaos dungeon?
Have you ever heard about Masterpiece and Una Task?

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Is it just me or is the last Chaos mat “fix” starting to look more and more of a move to force legit players to use in-game purchases. The “fix” did nothing to reduced bots. In fact, the “fix” INCREASED botting, because now the botters needed to use even more bots to compensate for their losses from the Chaos mat “fix”. This explains the recent skyrocketing on server queues.

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When you removed infinite chaos dungeon from legit players, no matter how small. Those players have to find another sources to earn gold. In this case, it will just make them realize that “why do I grind when I can just buy the gold?”

This is, my guess, is what is happening now. There are more demands for gold and you will have a portion of players choosing to swipe to make up that gold they lost whereas others turned to RMT. This is why measures to affect players in a fight against bots will never work. You will end up with either the players leaving the game altogether out of frustration or they turn to bot gold.

A lot of people who pro-claimed they understand how infinite chaos or how bots are making their gold actually have no idea about what the bots are doing. And when AGS listening to this kind of suggestion, you will have this phenomenon occurring.

Gold is the only reason bots are here, and players need gold to progress. If there was enough gold for players to self sustain themselves, they will not need RMT gold.

One of the reason it is so bad in the West is because players from the West are not used to the idea of grinding multiple alts. They just aren’t interested in doing so and they simply do not have time. And when that coupled with the limited entries per day, players will turn to RMT

I personally still think that if a player worked their ass to get to a certain point in the game - for example to participate in Argos and other legion raids, you should reward them more.

If you are not comfortable with increasing the rewards, the other method is to let them pay 50% of their current raid earning for another raid entries. Guardians can also utilize the same method. This helps a lot actually because you will have people joining different raid groups, and each time they re-do it, they are earning gold and rewards for their own progression. Since raid still requiring 8 players, it doesn’t take away anything. So it’s essentially also a reward for your time that I think both casuals and hardcore can enjoy.

What this also will do is isolating them from turning to bot gold because they can just farm to obtain those gold.

If Inflation is a concern. You can always increasing the gold cost of honing or upgrading relic gear quality. There are multiple methods to add in the game to have gold sink, we can worry about this problem at a later day.

Then next problem is you need a new method to prevent bots from gathering materials. One good idea is to randomize the spawn points of those gathering nodes. Again, it will cause inconvenience to the players, but I think it is a minimal damage.

Another idea to adjust the gatherings can also be to set a lower limit to all gather items in the market. For example: AH lowest limit for a fish is 10g/1. Players who directly trade with each other can go lower than this price point. This method effectively can isolate the flow of gold out of the bot hand and I would think it will be easier for AGS to track down who is owning 300,000 fishes.

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I mean most bots wern’t using the infinite chaos dungeon thing anyway as there isn’t “THAT” many bots at T3 as there are at T1. Most of the T3 ones were players using it to bot thru the infinite chaos dungeon during their Off time on their main.

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It doesn’t really matter whether it’s the best money-making tool for them or not, as it was never going to reduce the number of bots. The point of measures like this is to lower their impact, not to try to cull them.

Think about it from the perspective of someone actually running a bot farm. You’ve got many ways to make money in the game. Let’s say for the sake of argument that infinite chaos is far and away the best, and it’s removed as a revenue stream. Are you really going to pack up your bags and leave?

Of course not, you’re just going move to other money-making strategies and take the profit hit. And you’ll continue to do so until it’s no longer profitable to bot the game versus moving to another game.

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I am a pvper and I don’t see bots much at all. Other than an eye soar and congesting the network how do bots affect players?

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By trashing the market? Do you think it’s a coincidence that endgame accessories and ability stones (i.e. the only things bots can’t farm) are the only things worth any money now?

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They are PAID to get back this fast.

This is their livelihoods. How they put food on the table. They are of course going to find a way.

Whereas AGS or whoever dont give a shit.

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what’s funny is the whole reason there are so many bots in lost ark is because every way of earning gold is timegated.

so they have to make more bots to reach the gold qouta to start selling it.

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simple math…

less gold per bot = more bots to keep up gold/hour