Well sure, I’m not saying you sit there for 2 hours because you are too stubborn to accept a 1460 when you are a 1460 as well. The topic is why would you kick the 1460 for the 1520 that does appear in the list.
Plenty of party’s run with 1470-1490s all the time, mostly because there is very little need to min/max anything in Lost Ark. The bosses die all the same, things just tend to go a little smoother with players who push mechanics and don’t take damage when greeding is all.
As I say, the flaw in all of this is there shouldn’t be a reason that a 1445/1460 would ever be put into a position where they are fighting for a party spot to run content in any MMO against players who are 1520+/Capped. (Example being like T1 players are running the same content as T3 players in a contextual example)
Pretend for example that Raids also had a cap. Vykas is only 1470-1490. The Gatekeeping would drop significantly, but then all of a sudden none of us would have any content to run 18 times a week and players would rage that they are losing out on gold.
I don’t think it’s a design flaw it’s alright as it is. If you pushed your character that’s your reward that all the raids become much faster. It’s really just people not having any decency. Nothing is going to change that unfortunately. I think denying players fine but wasting their time like that I just think the people who do that have a defective personality.
True story… last night did hm vykas on my 1470 alt. The party I was in (party 2) was 2 1475s, me at 1470 and a pally at 1500+.
Party 1 was 2 1530s, a 1535 and a 1522.
They kept dying on gate 1 while my party kept living. Had to reset 3 times due to them randomly dying. The pally in my group was appalled and called it quits.
If you take someone in your group and he joined at the beginning when no1 else was aplying, you didnt even had 2 suports, prokel killer or whatever and you make him waste 20-30 mins of his time and then kick him at the last second cuz a better geared player request to enter when party is full then you are an ass****, doesnt matter if this is a game or not, but keep lying to yourself.
The design flaw is having players endlessly clearing content that is no longer of value to them outside of just grinding out gold because it creates these exact problems where people want fast runs (since you have so many old runs to do every week) and the player pool is stretched from a brand new player who just Express Passed to 1470 and a Founders starter who’s 1520+.
In a healthy progression game these two groups would have some degree of separation between them to provide content for all players.
In Lost Ark you are correct, your reward is that you can clear the same dungeon you’ve cleared 250 times already a bit faster now and if you wanted you will likely get into juicer groups.
Decency exists, but people are tired and burnt out of re-running these legion raids now for almost a year, so patience and acceptance is going down the drain.
True, it’s a moot point really when there are no protections for the player against this behavior. In real life, for example, we have unlawful termination laws in the workforce to protect employees from being unfairly fired or discriminated against just because the employer found someone “better” later.
But on the other hand, in Lost Ark, if the developers introduced some system to try and protect the unfairly kicked players, it could be abused (e.g. bonus rewards to kicked player) or circumnavigated (e.g. kick shield → other members disband and create new group without the targeted player). It’s really a tough dilemma!
I agree people should be free to pick the people they play with. But thats not the core of the issue here, its not the picking, its the replacing after time used. Itd be the equivalent of (lets use your example) if that sports team had a finalized team, had their team handle their flights/time/plans/travel expense/etc, and then told them after using that time, that they would not be playing. Theres a difference between picking and wasting someone else’s time.
My problem is the game already demands alot of your time to a point you cant even clear everything. Then you add to that people with no honor or integrity with there fatherless behaviour wasting some more time. personally if someone gets kicked in my lobby i leave too especially with my 1540 main and support alts.
Sure the action in itself is somewhat “vile”, but it’s a game, move on and find another group. And please don’t come and say that “you lost your precious time” since you’re already losing your time by playing a game. This applies in IRL too, there’s always someone better than you and you can get replaced at any time. Keep that in mind and do what you will of this advice.
Some people here should really grow up outside because it’s not a video game that will grow you up…
Gatekeeping is questionnable, this topic is not.
But eventually you had a bad experience IRL and you do the same in game.
Or eventually you live in United states where some states can fire an employee at will, it doesn’t mean that’s a good and ethical thing to do ^^
Don’t lie to us : You accept anyone in the party in order to fill it the fastest possible to have more visibility and spread the message “we are going to start very soon”.
Then you use the time of other people just for your own benefit (getting “stronger” players).
But the fact is : You don’t play alone, you play with other human beings where TIME also matter.
But yeah, nothing will punish you (I guess), so keep playing in your closed bedroom.
Well the value is fun and mats. If you don’t have fun anymore just don’t do it. If somebody kicks some guy because somebody else applied with better stats that’s not the game forcing them to do it I think that’s nonsense. That’s just the guy being a dickhead. 50 extra spec or crit or whatever won’t make any difference.
So are you saying only children are smart enough to realize video games arent that important and are not something you should worry about? You arent making much sense, lol.
Also, if dont care if i get kicked from a group because it doesnt matter.
you clearly belong at the lost ark community… I once took too many dps and forgot a slot for a supp… I said in lobby that I rather quit the group than kick someone… they said it was good… so I gave them sup… coz yeah… you have also the toxic rally lead asking if it’s ok to go without sup and keep the only one support with him…
That’s also another good reason for quit the game… lost ark has such a toxic community… so many ego issue just for a video game… it’s insane ! ppl don’t play for fun… they work !