Oh my lord, how can you be this stupid and still be so possessed to vomit all over public spaces like this? It being low is literally my point. I don’t need to hone my way up to 1415 to judge the system. I can see just fine how it works from here.
The way RNG is implemented what it’s used for matters.
Finally you got one thing correct.
And we’re back to misses. Sorry but I’m not going to just forsake the genre that has so many positive core features just because it’s having a hard time shaking a couple toxic systems and philosophies.
No one told anyone to rush it, you can easily take your time and enjoy the game and run alts. This game has very high replay value, try alts they’re really fun! I have about 4 I maintain
It’s part of the game currently, but it is not a core aspect of the game. You could remove it entirely for a different progression system and the actual game would remain unchanged. From what I’ve heard they changed it once to this toxic, predatory version of the honing system. They can change it again if they’re convinced it would be better for their bottom line to do so.
Game is great. Honing system is shit. Not sure how many times I have to repeat this. I’m not one to throw away an entire apple just because there’s a soft spot. Why would I quit a game that I enjoy nearly all the core gameplay of just because of one awful-but-easily-changeable system?
Sure you can. It’s one of the least consequential systems in the game to change. SG just needs to believe that making the western version friendly towards players, instead of toxic towards them, will improve their bottom line.
I almost feel sorry for people like you, you’ve completely convinced yourself that the upgrading system thats been in the game for a long time is gonna get changed over 2 months of people upset, when RNG upgrading systems are nothing new
it wont get changed
it shouldn’t get changed
its player friendly
its not toxic
its not predatory
its not even backwards progression
5k fuck rng lol. i much prefer concrete goals, i understand OP is saying that the pity is the concrete goal, but players can have wildly different outcomes and progression timelines with the same time invested, and that’s not very concrete. In WoW it felt terrible when you didnt get tier or that trinket you needed forever, but they’ve could have vendor systems where you earn a currency from same content that can buy BiS and it would be solved. Most MMO’s having bad systems currently doesn’t mean I don’t like MMO’s, it simply means i want deterministic outcomes in those MMO’s. Don’t hate the game just the rng.
Also PS they dont have the same system for early progression in korea RN so… if its so great why did they largely remove rng in getting to legoin raids? i mean smilegate themselves said eliminating huge chunks of rng systems progression improved retention lolol.
Not saying it 100% will get changed, but it absolutely can be changed and it would be the right decision for the game.
Definitely is toxic and predatory and in no world is player friendly.
Took me a minute to even realize what you were talking about with this, because I haven’t been abused by game developers to such a degree that not only have I experienced “backwards progression” but I actually have a cute little term for it. Making the case for honing in Lost Ark not being toxic because an even more toxic, fetid shitpile of a concept like backwards progression exists in some other, wildly degenerate Korean games, is not the ironclad defense you think it is. All it means is that Korean devs range from horrifyingly predatory to cataclysmically predatory.
So many times we, here in the West, we hoped for a decent korean game.
Every korean mmo launched in the West failed: Tera Online, Vindictus, Bless Online (so failed that they shut down the game after a few months after launch), Black Desert, Blade and Soul and many more.
Not even one korean game managed to have success in West. Why? Because of the “heavy grind” and “gambling” mentality. All korean games share these two core game concept. They can’t understand that our western “gamers mentality” is totally different and opposite from eastern “gamers mentality”.
At least we saw, we tried and now we move onwards (another game).
Or…hear me out, maybe he just appreciates the system for what it is in comparison to other games? That couldn’t possibly be the reason right? He’s gotta be on Amazon’s payroll since any logical, rational person would OBVIOUSLY hate this system. From your perspective, the only logical “discussion” to have is basically one big echo chamber circle jerk. What’s it like to live in complete denial of opposing points of view? Cause honestly it sounds pretty whimsy, making sweeping generalizations about someone based on their opinion about a game. That’s intense. You been sliding down that slippery slope your entire life?
Imagine harboring this much hatred and resentment for something you still spend time doing. That’s wild to me. The failure to let go and masochism is strong in you I see LOL.
