All I hear is whining that you can’t “play” the game you want… because you don’t have the perfect build… but if you have the perfect build… why are you even playing the game( you don’t need new items cause you’re perfect)
Getting to that "perfect or BIS is part of playing the game…
Reason why it’s so hard to follow or comprehend is because you’re utterly confused. Can’t really follow confusion without getting confused.
Pheon is just additional gold cost for item trading as gold>crystals>pheons.
Whatever gold you spend on pheons goes directly into the publishers pockets, and have nothing to do with swipers getting richer.
Following your logic, it is like arguing 5% auction house or mailing fee goes into swipers pockets when all it is is a resource sink to make the gold/crystals disappear from the game.
After those login rewards end they are impossible to get outside of buying them directly from p2w players. If there were other routes to get some amount of them you probably wouldn’t see as much complaining about it.
I also don’t think you realize how quickly they go. In T3 buying trash purples at 1325 it costs you 9 pheons. Which if you check the price of crystals this adds over 800g to the price of every single item you buy on the ah in T3. Worst yet is what the 800g goes into, promoting p2w and giving them an easy time selling their p2w crystals at our expense lol.
Oh I do realize how quickly they go. But you’re still confused on the whole p2w thing. The blue crystals we buy with gold are coming from people who are swiping for gold, not for blue crystals.
My main is at 1330 and I’m running the 2 chaos dungeons and daily raids with a T2 stone just fine. Oh no, I’m losing out on 5k vitality. Wow. I’ll upgrade when I drop a T3 one. If, by the time content requires to be fully outfitted I still haven’t dropped one, I’ll buy a T3 stone. or 5, if they fail. I’ve banked over 7500 blue crystals so far, not a big deal. And I haven’t spent a cent.
If anything, they’ll then have to swipe again to directly convert Royal into blue in the shop itself to buy Pheons as well. As I said, they’re losing double the money. They’re not getting rich over it.
What lol?
You don’t seem to comprehend that when you buy blue crystals you are buying those from players.
Notice there are different crystal sale offers, because this is how many of them someone has to sell… You aren’t buying blue crystals directly from the developer. These are pay to win players that yes gave the developers money to get the crystals but when we are spending(gold) to get the crystals is going to those pay to win players. We aren’t giving our gold to some game system that takes it out of circulation or w/e. It is going to some swiping kid that is going to turn around n buy a bunch of upgrade materials or gear off the auction house.
That is the problem with this system it inconveniences and costs us tons of gold(time) to keep a pay to win system going that quite frankly shouldn’t be a thing in the first place. If i want to buy a boat skin, skip an unas, w/e thats entirely optional and can be done without supporting pw2 then idc thats peoples choice to do it and its rewards both sides of the transaction.
All this pheon trash does is take from everyone with no upside whatsoever to support pay2win losers. If you can’t see this very obvious fact you shouldn’t be posting here.
And these “pay 2 win” players who are selling you crystals bought from who?
You are literally too blind to understand that this system allows F2P users to have access to literally every single cash shop items in the game without paying a single dime.
And even more true when we’re talking about Pheons. Pheons you pay DO NOT get transferred to the sellers. It simply disappears. It’s a FEE that the system takes.
How the hell does this have ANYTHING to do with making people who swipe richer or P2W is just beyond any human comprehension if you ask me.
If your argument was that Pheons are unnecessary fee that makes item trading more expensive than it should be, then people with brains can at least understand where you’re coming from.
You are literally taking a system that slaps a TAX that disappears from the game and accusing it of making people who are swiping richer, when there is 0 connection.
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It is going to some swiping kid that is going to turn around n buy a bunch of upgrade materials or gear off the auction house.
And said rich kid buying gear from the Auction house will still need to swipe again to buy Pheons.
How are they p2winning again and getting rich off us? Spending 10$ to get 3200 gold? Good for them.
As i said i am fine with them selling skins, una task skips n CONVENIENCE items because its a mutually beneficial thing that is entirely optional. This pheon system is not a choice and there is no benefit whatsoever to the people getting fleeced by it. It just takes from us to enable p2w players.
What in the world are you talking about with pheons transfering? I didn’t say they goto the seller you dolt.
This isn’t hard to understand. What occurs more often in the game auction house transactions or buying skins? Do you think there is anywhere near enough volume of skin purchases or una task skips to allow these pw2 swipers to instantly sell their crystals for gold? Of course there isn’t and im sure the p2w babies cried they couldn’t flip their crystals for gold and then this brilliantly idiotic idea of fleecing everyone every time they use the auction house and forcing them to support the pw2 losers was created.
They are an unnecessary fee and worse yet is the entire point of this fee. It’s not to remove gold from circulation to stop inflation like other games have where they tax you 5% or 10%. It is to just ensure the p2w cry babies can have a smooth transaction at our expense.
The tax doesn’t disappear from the game lol. It’s converted into gold that goes directly in the swipers pockets. I don’t know what part of this you ignorant clowns can’t absorb but pheons exist to force you to sell gold to p2w losers. It serves no other purpose that is it. You can’t even follow along with a simple transaction and you want to sit here on the forums arguing with people about stuff you dont even remotely comprehend?
Yes and they are already swiping and don’t care about buying pheons. To them its ohh i guess ill pay 10$ more for pheons to spend my 300$ of gold i just bought. To people playing without p2w it’s ohh i have to pay 800g on top of the 20g for this item…and it’s just to support p2w losers that already have an advantage in the game…
Something that should click in your head and bother you is how those ratios work out to be. They can buy very expensive auction house items and buying pheons only accounts for maybe 5% of their total spending. Meanwhile our ratio is the complete opposite.
Why should it bother me if someone wants to spend 5000$ a month to “win”? Win on what? He’s gonna do the next abyss tier a week before I do? Who cares. I’m playing my own game.
Next up I should be getting mad at streamers because their subs send them gold or get maybe sponsored by the game or can effortlessly drop 10k$ because its their job? Good for them, again.
A new tier will release again and they’ll have to spend another 10k$, or 20k$. It’s pay to lose, if anything.
This pheon system is not a choice and there is no benefit whatsoever to the people getting fleeced by it. It just takes from us to enable p2w players.
Pheons are the min-maxer’s currency, and i also think you are overestimating how hard they are to obtain, at least in RU and KR there are usually multiple, 2+ week long events running at the same time, each with their own pheon rewards.
Also, the current exceptionally limited amount of pheons everyone owns has 2 functions (at least in my eyes)
In fact, i believe pheons should be MORE necessary, as in:
“Want to P2W? Sure go ahead, but every batch of 10 Guardian Stone Crystals you buy from the marked will also take 1 pheon”
This mentality of “P2W bad F2P good” is toxic and leads to a system that makes non competitive games unsustainable.
League of Legends can keep themselves afloat with just skins, sure, but they are a competitive game. You’ll have a bad time trying to look for any F2P PvE game without P2W that actually succeeds.
You jump all over the place and never stick on topic. I don’t mention being upset about how much they spend to pay to win. I don’t care what they do. I care that the pheon system exists and forces me to support their pay to win antics at an extreme gold cost to myself.
Either keep up and attempt to absorb what im saying or quit replying.
So basically, I’m doing my best to find the logic where there is none, but your point equates to
I am not sure what kind of twisted mind is required to go from step 4 to 5 but that seems to be the case.
Without such apparent perversion, it is clear to see that Pheons is a system that simply taxes players, a system that is in place to keep a check in place against flipping the market, and additional source of goldsink that burns ingame resource and delete them from the game.
But somehow, you can have such twisted mind to turn it into some sort of P2W system that favor whales.
So if they just change it to additional gold fee attached to individual trade, then will you stop your whining? Because that is literally all it is.
See i agree with some of what you say.
Where are these events at on the NA servers that give them? Them being a thing on another regions game doesn’t exactly help us if its not a thing here.
It doesn’t really hinder progression, most of the progression in this game is ilvl based. Which as you said conveniently doesn’t charge them pheons to purchase honing materials lol.
I do think pheons should be more of a thing for buying honing materials. Policing people that want to just experiment n try out some builds with different engravings is idiotic.
As for the p2w bad stuff, youll notice i don’t really say anything about the people doing this aside from the fact i shouldn’t have to fund it unwillingly by paying absurd amounts of gold anytime i want to spend the gold i farmed.
Not to start another discussion but this game could have a proper competitive scene for pvp if they allowed groups of 3 to que into ranked together vs forcing solo ques into it.
It is a P2W system that favors whales, just like mari’s secret shop or the enterity of the market, that isn’t a bad thing in and of itself.
I for one am 100% F2P, already got my main on 1340 and am currently sitting on 2 t2 alts. I love the game and if everyone was like me the game would die, even if 60% of the playerbase had crystaline aura i still think it would be a slow fall for the company behing the game.
P2W shouldn’t be seen as a bad thing as long as it doesn’t take away from other people.
Lost Ark is a PvE game, the worst thing that could ever come from it being P2W is you going into an raid and having someone so overgeared on the party that you get carried.
Where are these events at on the NA servers that give them?
The events will come, but as i mentioned, giving out lots on pheons right now isn’t a good thing for the average player IMO.
Not to start another discussion but this game could have a proper competitive scene for pvp…
Even if i’m going against myself here, i just want to mention that the PvP actually has a pretty decent competitive (3v3) scene in some regions, which just
makes me pretty happy ^^
Well from what you say you seem to care quite a bit. But sure, this is not going anywhere anyways.
If you want to buy the gear and not farm it yourself, that’s how it is. there’s a premium. Go through the shop if you don’t want to support swipers. You’ll support the game. Or if you can’t do that either, quit and play something else. Noone’s forcing you.
I am not understanding how you aren’t getting the problem here at this point. In 5 you say the pheons are going into the swipers pocket. I never said that, i said the GOLD is going into their pockets. The pheons are irrelevant. If they taxed me 800g per purchase and the gold would goto the people paying $ for it then its the same thing. You are very hung up on the pheon business.
Now hopefully you can wrap your brain around that and tell me why i should be forced to essentially give a p2w gold buyer 800g of mine every time i want to use the auction house with nothing in return for me? It’s truly silly if you think about it. I could go buy 3200g worth of crystals and atleast get a ship skin from it or if i simply buy 4 items in t3 im stuck handing that much gold to some gold buying p2w player with nothing in return lol.
Yes i care i am forced to be part of supporting their p2w antics at my expense. I don’t care that p2w exists. Ill gladly buy skins off these people or pay for crystals to skip unas but im not ok with it being forced upon me at such a ridiculous cost.
So buying skins or skipping una’s tasks by supporting filthy p2winners is ok but buying gear is not. Nice double standard dude.