Why should it bother me if someone wants to spend 5000$ a month to “win”? Win on what? He’s gonna do the next abyss tier a week before I do? Who cares. I’m playing my own game.
Next up I should be getting mad at streamers because their subs send them gold or get maybe sponsored by the game or can effortlessly drop 10k$ because its their job? Good for them, again.
A new tier will release again and they’ll have to spend another 10k$, or 20k$. It’s pay to lose, if anything.
This pheon system is not a choice and there is no benefit whatsoever to the people getting fleeced by it. It just takes from us to enable p2w players.
Pheons are the min-maxer’s currency, and i also think you are overestimating how hard they are to obtain, at least in RU and KR there are usually multiple, 2+ week long events running at the same time, each with their own pheon rewards.
Also, the current exceptionally limited amount of pheons everyone owns has 2 functions (at least in my eyes)
In fact, i believe pheons should be MORE necessary, as in:
“Want to P2W? Sure go ahead, but every batch of 10 Guardian Stone Crystals you buy from the marked will also take 1 pheon”
This mentality of “P2W bad F2P good” is toxic and leads to a system that makes non competitive games unsustainable.
League of Legends can keep themselves afloat with just skins, sure, but they are a competitive game. You’ll have a bad time trying to look for any F2P PvE game without P2W that actually succeeds.
You jump all over the place and never stick on topic. I don’t mention being upset about how much they spend to pay to win. I don’t care what they do. I care that the pheon system exists and forces me to support their pay to win antics at an extreme gold cost to myself.
Either keep up and attempt to absorb what im saying or quit replying.
So basically, I’m doing my best to find the logic where there is none, but your point equates to
I am not sure what kind of twisted mind is required to go from step 4 to 5 but that seems to be the case.
Without such apparent perversion, it is clear to see that Pheons is a system that simply taxes players, a system that is in place to keep a check in place against flipping the market, and additional source of goldsink that burns ingame resource and delete them from the game.
But somehow, you can have such twisted mind to turn it into some sort of P2W system that favor whales.
So if they just change it to additional gold fee attached to individual trade, then will you stop your whining? Because that is literally all it is.
See i agree with some of what you say.
Where are these events at on the NA servers that give them? Them being a thing on another regions game doesn’t exactly help us if its not a thing here.
It doesn’t really hinder progression, most of the progression in this game is ilvl based. Which as you said conveniently doesn’t charge them pheons to purchase honing materials lol.
I do think pheons should be more of a thing for buying honing materials. Policing people that want to just experiment n try out some builds with different engravings is idiotic.
As for the p2w bad stuff, youll notice i don’t really say anything about the people doing this aside from the fact i shouldn’t have to fund it unwillingly by paying absurd amounts of gold anytime i want to spend the gold i farmed.
Not to start another discussion but this game could have a proper competitive scene for pvp if they allowed groups of 3 to que into ranked together vs forcing solo ques into it.
It is a P2W system that favors whales, just like mari’s secret shop or the enterity of the market, that isn’t a bad thing in and of itself.
I for one am 100% F2P, already got my main on 1340 and am currently sitting on 2 t2 alts. I love the game and if everyone was like me the game would die, even if 60% of the playerbase had crystaline aura i still think it would be a slow fall for the company behing the game.
P2W shouldn’t be seen as a bad thing as long as it doesn’t take away from other people.
Lost Ark is a PvE game, the worst thing that could ever come from it being P2W is you going into an raid and having someone so overgeared on the party that you get carried.
Where are these events at on the NA servers that give them?
The events will come, but as i mentioned, giving out lots on pheons right now isn’t a good thing for the average player IMO.
Not to start another discussion but this game could have a proper competitive scene for pvp…
Even if i’m going against myself here, i just want to mention that the PvP actually has a pretty decent competitive (3v3) scene in some regions, which just
makes me pretty happy ^^
Well from what you say you seem to care quite a bit. But sure, this is not going anywhere anyways.
If you want to buy the gear and not farm it yourself, that’s how it is. there’s a premium. Go through the shop if you don’t want to support swipers. You’ll support the game. Or if you can’t do that either, quit and play something else. Noone’s forcing you.
I am not understanding how you aren’t getting the problem here at this point. In 5 you say the pheons are going into the swipers pocket. I never said that, i said the GOLD is going into their pockets. The pheons are irrelevant. If they taxed me 800g per purchase and the gold would goto the people paying $ for it then its the same thing. You are very hung up on the pheon business.
Now hopefully you can wrap your brain around that and tell me why i should be forced to essentially give a p2w gold buyer 800g of mine every time i want to use the auction house with nothing in return for me? It’s truly silly if you think about it. I could go buy 3200g worth of crystals and atleast get a ship skin from it or if i simply buy 4 items in t3 im stuck handing that much gold to some gold buying p2w player with nothing in return lol.
Yes i care i am forced to be part of supporting their p2w antics at my expense. I don’t care that p2w exists. Ill gladly buy skins off these people or pay for crystals to skip unas but im not ok with it being forced upon me at such a ridiculous cost.
So buying skins or skipping una’s tasks by supporting filthy p2winners is ok but buying gear is not. Nice double standard dude.
You are clearly slow so ill spell it out for you. One is the choice, the other is not AND one of them makes it a trade vs the other just taking from you lol.
Pheons are basically flat market tax for gear/cosmetic.
Why is bad selling crystals and turns you instantly into a “p2w gold buyer”? If I want an old cosmetic and can pay money for the chance to get it, a skin won’t turn me into a p2w.
If I pay for RC, I’m selling you the crystals and not the Pheons. Pheons are a tax if you wish to skip ahead and buy better gear.
“P2W players will just swipe”
Yeah, they will swipe indifferently of Pheon’s existance or not. They existing means 0 to them and not existing would mean 0 to them as well.
Regarding cosmetic, without P2W the cosmetics going through the market would be almost empty and over expensive, here Pheons work as a tax vs cash shop cosmetics that you would purchase with irl money otherwise. It’s the design saying “I will charge you a bit more because these are items we made to be available via real money payments”
Plus those Pheons can be purchased via crystals so you can basically get them as a f2p player and doesn’t means it will go full p2w.
Pheons are just a tax. You are not supporting anything. You are simply buying a service from those who are willing to provide it.
If they were to charge you base fees according to cosmetics or gear popularity, would you prefer to pay those 800g to the system instead?
No they aren’t lol. I could go buy a ship skin by converting gold to crystals and not have to hand the p2w player an additional 800g(purchasing pheons). Even funnier is the fact the p2w players aren’t charged pheons when spending thousands of gold on honing materials, yet if i want to get an earing with an engraving i want i have to pay these very same people 800g.
Wrong about the existence of pheons not mattering to the swipers. If they didn’t exist it would be harder for them to sale them crystals they purchased with irl money. People are only going to buy a boat skin once per account, maybe a skin or two per character(if they ever actually add more of them). Auction house transactions will always be a thing for as long as the game exists. This pheon business as i said before was implemented to make sure they can sale their crystals and finish the $ to gold transaction quickly. If you don’t even comprehend this part of the deal i don’t see why you are commenting to argue.
Yes you can buy pheons with crystals, that is exactly what im complaining about lol. In order to use the auction house you have to pay some p2w person 800g just to get these pheons to be allowed to spend your gold at the auction house.
Why does there need to be a fee period? Look at all the really cool skins this game has, yet its been the alar skin for weeks… Put some of these really cool skins in and they will sell. Why is the solution fleecing people n ripping them off at the auction house endlessly to the point people quit?
I’m sorry. I had to stop reading there, because I cannot fathom anyone who is foolish enough to think Mari’s secret shop is P2W, when it is the exact opposite.
Yet you still can’t connect the dots that paying for pheons is simply the same as paying gold to make a purchase in the AH.
God forbid you had to obtain premium currency with ingame currency without spending a dime from someone who is willing to pay money for the game you’re playing. Literally complaining that you have to go through the exchange process when your gold in the end simply disappear into the system regardless.
Again, will you feel any different if there was no exchange process and you simply had to pay 800g fee per purchase that disappear into the system? You stil lhave not answered my question because literally the only difference is that you have to go through exchange system, which somehow make the swipers richer.
In the same train of thought. You would buy just once of each jewelry and gear if you are in such a rush and that’s it.
How else would you acquire “Crystals” without someone buying the “Royal Crystals”, those are converted in “Crystals” when someone use their RC for gold and that’s how they flow.
You wanting to buy anything in the cash shop is basically “Enabling p2w” as you call them already. When your free crystals run out and new skins come, where are you acquiring them?
“People will buy 1 or 2 for their characters”
You are understimating how much are people into fashion lol. Even in games where fashion stuff is small like monster hunter, everyone knows the endgame is becoming a Fashion Hunter.
Without people paying for crystals you would have no access to cash shop items and you also have no need to pay pheons for honing materials or do I get benefits on no pheon cost for these? If the p2w player wants an earring they will need Pheons.
According to you:
Pheons are the main reason why people buy crystals
lol?
if you’re playing solo self-found you’re a drag to your group (getting carried) cause you don’t have decent engravings and stats to be sure.
Love when people who don’t understand economics and that a game is business start calling the people willing to put money into the game “losers.”
Having money to spend on a game you enjoy doesn’t make you a loser.
Adding a 800g price tag(probaby way more further into t3) to every single purchase for the sole reason of supporting p2w with no choice in the matter is not the same as just buying items on the ah.
Add more skins to the game people actually want unlike this alar set and they wouldn’t need comically bad systems like this pheon one that will do nothing piss off and chase new players away from the game.
I understand that you have a really weak point but can you stop just throwing out statements like they’re true?
Where is all this “new players” who are leaving after discovering Pheon? You? Your friend?
Also, this is gonna be the last response because despite my, and few others’, best efforts, you are relentless in making illogical statement. So far it was about how Pheons make swipers richer, now it seems like you just don’t like the fact that there is additional tax to trades, but gotta throw in that “P2W” to make your argument appear to have some greater meaning.
Good luck with your crusade bro. If pheons get removed, I’ll forever remember it was because of you and be grateful.