Wow good one guess someone isn’t aware what happens when you text and that your input might not register, says I’m obsessed with Zeals but you are the real one obsessed here and that’s with me 
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General discussion about topic stated
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This is where you are just flat out wrong my guy.
There is absolutely nothing in the TOS that states that people cannot connect from non-published regions. It simply states that you cannot use any software/hardware that obscures your location in order to establish a connection.
We as players have no say in who is or is not allowed to play the game. Simple as that. Not really sure what else you are expecting to hear on this. If you have an issue with that maybe this is not the game for you. Though you would be hard pressed to find any game that would turn away a sizeable streamer because a tiny handful of players might have an issue with them.
Additionally the TOS is not set in stone nor does it prevent AGS from doing what they want. They can enforce it as they see fit. It exists for their benefit, not for the players.
The only issue that might come into play is the publishing contract with SGR may have more specific terms that would state specifically whether AGS is expected to actively enforce bans on streamers. Though again that would be stupid as hell for both companies to curtail themselves like that.
Also keep in mind that when it comes to Twitch partnered streamers they are essentially performing services for Amazon.
Bottom line your argument not only doesn’t make sense but is actually laughable. Which is why you will never get a response from AGS on this that will satisfy you. Especially if you are actually expecting them to come out and be like “Oh noo! We had no idea one of our biggest streamers were violating this rule that you just made up… we’ll just go ahead and perma ban him from everything on the entire internet!”
The actual COC and TOS links btw:
https://forums.playlostark.com/faq
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=G201482650&pop-up=1
5.2 Geographic Restrictions. Due to technical and other restrictions, the Games may be available only in certain locations. We may use technologies to verify your geographic location and restrict access to the Games from other locations. You may not use any technology or technique to obscure or disguise your location.
At times they MAY implement GEO-BLOCKING. Using a VPN or other tools to bypass that blocking would violate that.
However if no VPN is being used there is no issue at all regardless of location. It is on AGS/SGR to determine if someone is playing from an uncovered region and decide whether or not to block that connection.
Geoblocking in this game used to be pretty extreme for a period. At some point they had to roll back some of the changes because I think it was causing serious instability for many players. Entire ISPs were being blocked even within regions where the game is published. Which is partly why some KR players who were blocked previously are now able to connect again. Though this is clearly not the case for everyone in KR.
Bottom line they aren’t going to comment on this let alone do anything.
We can let this thread die now.
Man title doesn’t even make sense. This is not an NA exclusive game 
@Bluecogs How would you connect from non supported regions without breaking TOS and using VPN, I literally just stated friend from countries outside of regions can’t even access game in first place without VPN so gaining access involves break TOS. TOS not set in stone? Do what they want? So you are in support of a TOS where AGS can pick and choose who gets applied to? That’s some scary line of thinking there also it’s for the benefit of both cause TOS also allows them to rightfully ban people misusing programs and cheating which benefits the player so you are wrong there. “The actual links to TOS” loll I’ve already sent those before I am well aware you can look through both post if you don’t believe me haha. Man I lose braincells everytime people say stupid things I’m well aware this game isn’t na exclusive, title doesn’t even imply that in the slightest, most streamers play NA server whether that’s west or east and they are mainly from outside supported regions why the thread is tiled in such a way, geez crazy how this thread has really shown me people really do not read or make very stupid statements. Also Ags are cowards and not very intelligent they never comment on anything unless it’s positive. This studio is the same one who censors skins to cover certain assets under the guise of western norm (which is more liberal than KR mind you) but then allows bikini skins that expose those same assets they literally cover like what thats literally stupid lmaoo. this shows me they have very low intellect like I stated and that they wouldn’t reply to posts like these because it hurts their little brain, why they avoided Shadowhunter threads as well which they made stupid reason to justify as well. So of course a bunch of jokers like AGS aren’t going to reply to these posts. they’ll have people like you who also don’t think to hard or read the full posts with past replies or AGS worker themselves make alt accounts and reply of posts like these so they can pretend to be a random forum poster loll.
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My honest advice, throw TOS out the window. Have your friends use VPN, or buy a US steam account and use that to play the game.
Because not all regions are blocked? I don’t… really understand why this concept is so hard for you to grasp. I literally cannot dumb it down for you any further than that. Just because some regions are blocked does not mean they all are. They selectively block some regions in an effort to prevent/slow down/make life difficult for bot farms. To some degree they may block regions for other reasons as well. They are not going to go out of their way to jam up someone who essentially works for them
You keep on saying this like it matters. Like I said above just because your friend is blocked does not mean others will be. If he is within a region that is being blocked then he will not be able to play the game without a VPN. The streamers in question do not need to use a VPN because their connection is not being blocked.
Super simple to understand.
Why do you think companies even implement a TOS? They are not required to do so by law. They do so primarily to cover their own asses. To say that I am in support of it isn’t just inaccurate it’s literally non sense. The terms are not there for your benefit in any way shape or form. Certainly not in this situation.
??? Is someone in this thread talking about cheaters? 
You do not get to twist the terms of service to suit your circumstances or the circumstances of your friends. AGS gets to decide whether or not to enforce their terms.
Believe it or not 5.2 initially was not even enforced for any players. Took them months to get around to actually blocking some regions and then finally blocked connections through major VPNs.
I mean maybe English isn’t your primary language but your title couldn’t be any more clear if you tried.
“Non NA streamers access to Lost Ark NA Topic Continuation”
I mean… considering your actually trying to convince AGS to ban one of their biggest streamers I find this hilarious. But go on.
And? That is pretty standard. They can’t just say whatever they want. @Roxx has tried so many times to be more open with this community but everytime a CM steps up to the plate and ends up getting something wrong or makes a statement that ends up changing later they get absolutely raked over the coals for it. It’s just safer to only comment on things that you have concrete answers to.
There’s nothing malicious about that. It is unfortunate that people are incapable of taking information at face value instead of picking everything apart and trying to read between the lines.
On the other hand they could simply be trying to play it safe. That has been a very heated topic since the game launched for us. Dozens of threads on that subject have spiraled out of control since these forums opened.
Granted I agree that it is unfortunate that things have to be censored as I feel that really takes away from the original designs from the artists/devs. But I understand why they did it.
Man now you’re just going full tin foil hat on us.
But I’m disagreeing with you so I guess that makes me a paid shill huh 
AGS is by far one of the worst publisher/developers in the entire industry. There are VERY real issues within the company that desperately need to be addressed. Not one of those issues have been mentioned by you in this thread.
If you want to have a real discussion about this I would be happy to engage. But if you’re just going to spin conspiracy theories and insult people I’ll go ahead and leave you to your childish ramblings.
I talked to him aswell in the past and i think he just want to make this whole debate about justice being served, which isnt a bad thing.
I also think, that regarding justice, he ignores known “facts” like TOS to get his friends into the game. When confronted with the TOS he always goes on about “justice”. He knows very well, why a korean streamer is treated in a different way but keeps the circle yerk to get the thread traction.
Well thats at least my feeling after engaging the discussion. He wont get any answers from AGS tho.
@Bluecogs damn yeah you wrote a shit ton didn’t expect to wake up to a essay. Yeah and you do understand that you have nothing to back up such claims while almost all unsupported regions are blocked due to TOS listing regions with access and knowing people all in regions outside list requiring VPN to get access one can assume others as well have no access without VPN, my claim has more backing then your even though both of what is being stated is still word against word. Oh yeah you know the streamer in question isn’t using VPN on wait that’s just a assumption without evidence to back claim up. What would VPN ban do to cover their ass? You know VPNs were permitted at start but then banned due to bots not to “cover their asses”. Yes your logically and what you stated ultimately takes you there to that conclusion, like I stated both benefit from it and already gave a example how whether you agree that’s on you. no it’s a example on how TOS benefits players too…like bruh no twisting here very well still related to topics being discussed. I’m aware about 5.2 should have been enforced from start if it was in TOS can’t pick and choose that’s where my problem lies rules should not be like that especially if you come later after not enforcing with guise of well it’s TOS so it’s wrong makes enforcement a joke. Title no way shape of form does it show I believe lost ark is na exclusive title especially if when I made it clear I was aware of Zeals who plays KR region, so if know KR exists and is original region and I made title, how would I believe it’s exclusive to na? No excuse put out statements with knowledge of decisions of the time and if they change and people get mad so be it people need to learn things change sometimes shouldn’t stop em from keep people in the loop that’s the job of CM. Understand did you literally read what I said they censored assets on some skins but then released skins showing same assets? (Argos armor has shorts added, maid outfit same parts covered with shorts are showing) like what? No you aren’t a paid shill never stated that you are just one of those people who they unintentionally rely on to respond for them. Atleast theirs one thing we agree on yes AGS is a horrible company. Also If you are going to type another essay I probs will not respond just really don’t care that bad to be having a prolonged essay fight.
@Myeura ignore facts to get friend on game? My friend isn’t on the game loll and yes I can assume why they are but that’s where the problem lies like I stated. If they don’t answer cool all it does is show they are cowards, if they were in the right you or them could easily just disprove me with evidence not assumptions and give very logical reason and shut me right up, which if it were to happen I would humbly accept it and move on. Anyways regardless I’ma keep bumping thread up since I’m within rules to do so, if that bothers you not my problem but typing 4 letters every few days takes no effort on my end.
There are only assumptions, cause there is no one to prove it since they need to come forward themselves. Its not about evidence or arguments. Its literally in the TOS as bluecogs posted it. If you cant take that for granted, then there is no point in arguing with you.
Further, whats the point of getting evidence forward to you? There is literally no point. Take it or leave it. But you wont and you are free to bump and push your threads as much as you want. I find it only sad, that you are trying to demonize and call other people names cause, even if in a ill mannered way, tell you thats things are not happening cause xy. You ignore it, cause reasons.
And the reasons being: “Cause Amazon hasnt said so, just gonna ignore TOS”. Its written right there, you chose to ignore it. As other people stated, no one will come forward and say: “Yes, thats the case.”
Agreed there are only assumptions till they come forth and I agree that all these assumptions like him having access because of special treatment and more are probably true. There being a point or no point is for me to decide for myself not you so as you may not see a point doesnt mean someone else doesn’t. Who have I called a name recently and what was it seem to not remember? What am I ignoring in the TOS?
Somuns. Even if he was a bit of a jerk about it.
The geopolitical restrictions which probably dont let your friends play the game. And for the stuff regarding the streamers as pointed out many times before, you chose to ignore cause reasons.
What did I say exactly again to him? And I’m not ignoring that I’m aware that’s why my friend probably doesn’t have access, the whole problem is the restriction not being applied to some people where this restriction is implemented hence my whole TOS being a joke argument which has been one of the main purposes here.
So you have your answer. But not the one you would like to have cause some “advertiser” for the game doesnt let your friends play the game.
@Myeura what did I say to your friend again would like to know and I’ve already been aware my friend doesn’t have access because of region restrictions why when game launch they had to use VPN from start like almost everyone from restricted zones. The problem here is some people being allowed in these restricted zones to have access to the game while some others don’t hence making TOS a joke.
So i have to apologize for the calling names. You answered passive aggressively. So thats at least that.
Cause the TOS is a JOKE. Thats what people trying to tell you and it doesnt matter. Its their game, its their TOS, its their players. They chose to whom and when or why. And its actually not a problem per se. Cause, again amazon and any company will be taking the free advertisement.
Too much discussion over nothing.
- ToS exist to protect the company from lawsuits. It does not tell you what behavior will result in bans.
2)streamers who RMT should be banned because they are sending the wrong message to their viewers tjay RMT is good.
- why would they ban players playing in a region forbidden by ToS? You can play oj any region you want. They will not ban you. Its only “forbidden” to protect themselves on court in case you sue them about content which isnt legal in your country.
An example is Belgian player playing in Korea,because Korea has yoz jar which is illegal in Belgium.
Sure you can play there, but you dont have the right to sue them because of yoz jar.
And thay is the whole purpose of ToS. To protect themselves from idiots who would sue the game.
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The problem is not that they play on NA but the majority of the time they play on KR server. Nothing wrong with them playing on KR but its a bit annoying when they are considered “NA” content creator while they barely play on NA yet get their exposure to NA audience . Even asmongold has more hours on NA server than them and hes just a passerby.
I have no problem with whatever server they play but they are unconciously making people comparing between the 2 versions and preparing accordingly. Remember how shocking and unprepared people were when the gold nerf come early ? According to KR we wouldnt get it not until akkan or some bs, yet here we are. And the shard nerf up to 1590 recently. People expecting to not be here so they push accordingly to do brel hm then it got nerfed. Thats why the 2 recent supposedly positive changes leaving a bad taste in people’s mouth. It has nothing to do with the change itself but people already watching kr version and making wrong decision on preparing for what to come.
OP reasoning for his friend is irrelevant, but i can see how non NA streamer behavior already leaving bad mark
@Myeura Ok well as long as I didn’t call them a name and yes that’s where the problem lies, very big one at that. Since rule enforcement won’t have any stable foundation of enforcement if TOS isn’t taken seriously.
@Altair13 you are half right, it actually does state what actions will result in ban read it what else do they use for enforcement I’ve literally been even banned on here for a few days and sent the TOS link as their guise loll. RMT is only bad because TOS states clearly about third party so you are using TOS there which seems you agree should be enforced, would hope you would want any RMTer regardless of status to have it applied equally correct? That last part makes sense and is a good point as well I agree def a reason for TOS but not only reason.
@Malaka thank you I’ve been saying the same thing they barely even advertise the na experience how are they considered na content creator, refreshing seeing that point brought up here. I Disagree on you stating my reason is irrelevant maybe to the topic you have brought up but in general no especially if we are to take TOS seriously for guise of enforcement in the game. Great points with KR affecting our version and why it’s problem, which leads to why someone who doesn’t even play out version 99% shouldn’t even be a part of our creator program let alone pretty much the face of lost ark at this point.
No, not equally. It’s all about the bigger picture. Streamer who RMT-s is bad for business because he sends wrong message to his viewers.
But a regular guy RMT-ing deserves some lenience as he’s proven to be a customer (though, at that point, not their but of their competitors), he’s willing to spend for the game. So you don’t wanna perma ban those, a-a. You wanna give them 3 day ban and remove their gold and hope they learn the lesson and buy from the in-game store.
In any case in this world, the only way to be equal towards everyone is to be unequal. The only way to be fair is to be unfair.
For example, how good is giving the same portion of food to a 11-year old girl with 30 kilograms and to the 25 year old man with 100 kilograms weight? No good. You’re not being fair. Fair means he gets more cuz he needs more.
That’s just a silly example but from there, induction easily proves the point. No, not equal. Nothing is equal and shouldn’t be equal. That’s why weights exist (and now i mean mathematical weights, not physical)