That is one of the most toxic things some people do in the game.
You make a group in party finder that is called Reclear or Alt run, and you get people that dont know the mechanics. They just waste everyone´ s time. In valtan, it´s not that big of a deal as you can just carry it with few people, but at vykas ? That can be a nightmare.
It´s super toxic and disgusting.
If you dont know the mechs, either look up a guide properly so you go in like a pro, and then mention that you dont have experience - or join a learning party to get familiar with mechs and that´s it.
But if you go into reclear group and you wont disclose that you not only dont have experienced, but god forbid - that you didnt look up a guide, that´s just so toxic that it would be nice if peopel got penalised for that.
And if you end up not having time and end up doing legion raids on the last day before reset ( unstable work schedule for example), you are in for a ride, because it´s very likely you will encounter people like that and a chill clear might turn into 2-3 hours of hell and you wont even clear it anyway.
I dont really care about people not using battle items in guardian raids and such, but people that dont know mechs joining reclear groups and not closing they dont know mechs - that´s the worst.
I think the biggest toxic thing I’ve seen is expecting 100% perfection all the time in a PUG
Don’t get me wrong, I know mechanics of raids
However I’m not perfect and neither is anyone else
You have lag spikes, desyncing (hello G1 Vykas), mouse/keyboards dying, real life distractions, or just plain flubbing things up because your brain stopped working for 2 seconds
However, I agree this doesn’t excuse people who obviously don’t know the fight at all, just sucks there’s few learning parties and people to teach, but that’s a whole other topic
I prefer chill parties because hey, mistakes happen and the best thing to do is to laugh and joke it off and move on
I just laugh at the “one mistake = kick” parties because having your members on edge because of the thought of getting caught messing up just… leads to more people messing up
So you kick someone then replace… over and over, wasting more time
You want 100% perfection, get a static where you know the players
Yeah, i agree , mistakes can happen - but not knowing mechs and not disclosing it, thats just disgusting.
I dont care about 100% perfection, but 2 or 3 hour vykas run that you wont finish ? No thanks.
And i would like static, but thats just not a possibility if you have unstable work schedule like me.
Though this week was pretty chill, but i think what contributed the most was that i did it early - while if you do it like last day or last two day before reset, it can be a nightmare.
i just skip on vykas if i have limited time and its before reset, because its just a waste of time.
Valtan on the other hand, i really like. Because you can just carry it. For when you know the fight, you are just never gonna die. And you will usually have at least 2 decent or good people in the raid, and thats a breeze to carry in a ghost phase.
Valtan daddy is great. Mommy vykas not so much.
And i am not going for clown with my alts - that would be a severe mistake
On main its enough for me. Maybe later when people get better at clown, but thats gonna take some time probably.
Oh, and btw : check mobalytics guides. Those are insane. I read it, went to clown, and was playing like a seasoned clown veteran - since the guide even tells u what to do when general attack patterns happen etc. Insane lol
I make all my Vykas runs with Succubus title requirement and I scrutinize peoples gear in and out while still following the meta of 2 fails = kick as there are people with good gear and title, but have only bought busses and are clueless when it comes to mechanics.
With this method I have only had to cancel the raid couple times and removed said people who didnt know mechs.
nah bro that’s not toxic the toxic thing is you kicking the one who is jailing 7 players (this is a joke for you dense people) i don’t mind people failing something that doesn’t wipe the whole group mistakes happen but not everytime people don’t have time to deal with rats joining to get carried non the less.
For me personally i would take 3x3 or even 1x3 if i knew this guy is good enough with mech and i can cover his side of damage instead of some random who got better gear etc and this is why i prefer to help friends/guildmates who got less geared alts instead of a full relic guy can’t do single mech
“you know mech? yah i cleared it 10 times already” fails first mech this is what it feels like sometimes then they say i’m nervous you will see in G2 “10 sec in g2 dead”
Vykas is my favourite raid. Probably because i learn it the most. Not more then 3 hours for my main and 4 alts for all 3 gates. Probably i am lucky i find a good pug gropus. Yesterday we finish all 3 gates without any support and without even 1 dead.
there is a difference though between a mistake and not knowing mechs with my experience getting randoms for clown especially g2 mistakes happen, but not knowing where to go and what to do is just obvious and its worse when you try to explain to them and they do that thing where they go quiet and give 0 effort after that until the group disbands
It’s not like there are a lot of groups with the description “learning group” at this point in the game, the person wants to get their raid done and get the rewards, they will look to find a group as quickly as possible.
We have a culture of hate so heavy against anyone who doesn’t know a mechanic in a fight that i’ve seen people straight up panic attack and go numb or alt+f4 over asking for help.
