Tbh it’s kind of weird you keep saying it opens their revenue sources when it actually harms it overall. People like you who are supposedly going to purchase Crystalline Aura and Pets regularly but never buy a costume are beyond a fringe minority. Considering that CA isn’t even heavily purchased in other regions it’s safe to assume the same will follow on the NA/EU servers. As it stands part of skin culture is the ability to show it off to other users. Players enjoy it when they have a certain look and people give them recognition for it.
Adding this feature takes away from the enjoyment of those who purchased their skins and put effort into the design of their characters for social purposes(this is an MMO after all). As has already been said forced visuals with skins are essentially ads for players to continuously have a reminder that they can purchase a skin and achieve a certain look.
I would also like to mention that forced skins also integrate players into the current culture within the game. When I first saw the Mokoko and animal costumes I will admit I was not a fan of it however, through playing the game for such a long time now they’ve become normal and even funny to me. The same applies to pretty much all skins, it allows players to express themselves freely as they so desire. You have control of your own character and if it’s a problem that others have control of theirs as well then the problem is perhaps you and maybe this isn’t the community for you.
I don’t think anyone in this thread would agree that it generates more sales overall for the company. In fact, if a streamer were to use this option then AGS are missing out on free marketing on any avatar that makes its way into the stream passively from other player characters. I don’t think you need to bring monetary gains or losses into this discussion to get your point across. You merely just want the option to tone down the skimpiness. That should be reason enough for some consideration.
Why I asked is because if you would you would also know there are plenty of things that exist in the game in terms of outfits and characters that are plenty “korean” and amazon hasn’t touched it. We are talking about these few changes because they are all we found.
Its weird that AGS somehow wants to Censor everything but barely censors anything.
All I know they censored is the nazi scientist dude.
I dont see anything there about them enriching themselves so its literally a conspiracy.
Them saying “We gonna localize it” isn’t news and its not about them enriching themselves.
Despite the italicized text being a little vague, it clearly depicts why outfits, the “nazi scientist dude” the arbitrary name changes all got changed. It also implies that many more changes are to come for release and/or after release too.
There’s a reason why the game is taking extra months to release. We basically played a game with virtually no bugs in the beta. There was a casting skill bug (that I reported super early) and it was fixed in hours. And PvP scaling issues that were fixed the next day in beta.
The localization changes and the explanation for the additional time taken are clearly laid out in that blog post. “Localize” has usually been as simple as translation and just giving it to us. It is a precedent that the game is audited for “moral and worldview dogma” before being presented. It’s not “Localization” that is being done here, IT IS BRANDING.
I dont remember the name, he is in Arthetine.
The reason why I am saying Censorship in that case is because its completely removed. I dont know the full details but its obvious since the game is supposed to release in Germany.
And I fully support it.
That is why I dislike talking about it. It always devolves into “who uses the correct definition”.
Personally censorship means complete removal. But censoring certain things might be necessary depending on circumstance.
No one ever adds the visual toggle. If there was a visual toggle for outfits and gore, none of the censorship threads would exist. Figured I nutshell the conversation here.
We aren’t doing any comparison to it or condemning it or implying anything, simply saying what they removed and not that it is actually a bad thing they removed it.
Bruh I had to serve a 3 day suspension because one of the previous threads went south like this and I responded to some stuff. I can see it happening again if you guys go down that road is all I’m saying.
I’m also kind of curious what kind of games these supposed players the OP is talking about play. Are there any MMO’s currently that have such a feature? Pretty much every MMO I’ve played has women wearing clothing that’s sexually expressive in it. I’ve only ever seen toggles for game effects in order to help those with lower hardware specs.
Some things have to be changed, other didn’t but they were for arbitrary reasons sure. It doesnt mean that they will censor anything in the future. Its speculation.
There were plenty of localization that was bad in beta.
There were some bugs but you have to understand its more than “just release the game”.
You dont know what goes into making it so your “they are delaying to ruin it” is all speculation again.
It is localization.
Changing monetization is also a form of localization.
Changing the character creator is localization.
Changing the pacing is localization.
Changing how we start the game and what is available is localization.
Changing skin colors is localization.
And so on…
Nope never played WoW but I’m thinking more for modern games since WoW looks like trash and trying to make a character look sexually appealing on it just doesn’t seem possible. Also, I’m more interested in the toggle existing in games currently because of course there exists games where women aren’t sexually expressive. Which ironically could also be seen as oppressive to women.
It actually kind of is oppressive to women. There’s a reason why FFXIV has so many female players in the West. It’s because they want to make their characters dress and look that way.
I think giving female characters and male characters more choices in how they want to express themselves is a good thing. AGS has said they want to have a good mix of both “sexy” and “functional” i guess you can say which to me is a good thing. I don’t dress my female characters in slutmogs in FFXIV or Wow but I don’t mind others doing so.
AGS also saying they did this for marketing sake is believable to me, since FFXIV also doesn’t show what people actually dress like in game when they show characters or do videos / new releases, even though they fully embrace that part of the community.
I dont think a toggle is needed at all, I just find it funny how some people are so vehemently against an option that only affects the player themselves and no one else.
Oh I see. I just wanted to make sure there wasn’t some large amount of games currently that even have this feature currently. I read a post earlier and I definitely agreed with the user where they said this post comes off as drama farming.
Agreed. A major red flag for this thread that I also noticed is this user has barely played the game. He’s only played for a few days and is already wanting to change something so major. I mentioned it earlier but skins are a major part of the culture in games. Removing the ability for players to interact with one another based on how they desire to portray their avatars is wrong IMO. I have friends who I’ve made over the years solely based on skins/avatars that they’ve purchased or altered after purchase. My personal opinion is that people who have issues with the skins in this game should likely find a community that’s more suitable to their liking.
I think the guy is well within his right to request a function to be potentially implemented within the game. I’d be weary about demonising the fact that he is new to the game because I don’t think that’s a fair means to place value on someone’s perspective when it comes to something like this.
I also think we should be careful when saying things like he ‘should likely find a community that’s more suitable to their liking’, because telling someone he’s essentially not welcome because you disagree with him and you feel like you speak on behalf of our community, it could actually be the thing that puts him off joining up to the game come Feb 8 or 11. I want more players in Lost Ark, not less.
Tl;dr it paints a pretty bad picture of our community if we’re just going to gatekeep what people can or can’t request or suggest to be implemented into the game. Obviously within reason.