Over 50% of characters are BOTS (statistics inside)

May 22 Edit: The problem is the same. This high bot percentage used to be a conspiracy in February, so let me introduce you to the new conspiracy: Amazon and Smilegate use the “concurrent” players(bots) to boost investor relations.

Feb 28 Edit: New data collected from character screen, plugged into same calculations. Please tell me I made a huge mistake somewhere.

Feb 28 Edit 2: Turns out the other main NA-West server Valtan is now majority bots! See my comment below.


TL:DR: Clickbait title, but true from my calculations. BOTS MAKE UP OVER 35% 49% OF ALL CHARACTERS! (on NA-West Mari) My result was 35.27% 49.05%, meaning there is more than one bot per two players nearly one bot per player. I am hoping this does not get buried because this needs to be addressed.


Over the past few days I have reported a huge amount of bots teleporting, speed hacking, and glitching out throughout the zones. I knew that an enormous amount of bots were on the server and decided to get a quantitative grasp on how bad the problem is.

Needless to say, players are not responsible for solving an issue of this magnitude (“Just report them bro!”). Reports are not fast enough, and I guarantee the queues are due to bots which never log off.


Feb 24: older data

Feb 28: updated data

Left: Original vs now, including bots
Right: Original vs now, excluding bots (“real player” representation)


Feb 24: older data

Feb 28: updated data


I assumed a few things:

  • “Bot classes” are Berserker and Sorceress (bot routines currently use these)
  • The disproportionate increase in percentage of Berserker and Sorceress is from bots
  • The percentage popularity of classes are the same for founders and f2p players

I had access to the early launch (there were no bots) and used data that others recorded during those first three days. The launch data in these calculations is from the last day of the founder’s early access. I recorded the other data on Feb-24 (update: and Feb-28) from NA-West Mari.

It is important to note that this “launch data” is similar for every server in the game, and accurately reflects the pre-launch polls. It is safe to assume this is what the natural player spread looks like.


Graphs:

The first graph is the launch data and the unmodified Feb-24 (update: and Feb-28) data. As you can see, the proportions are wildly off and I do not believe this is natural. For this to be realistic, f2p players would have been many many times more likely to choose berserker and sorceress compared to founders, while still choosing other classes in the same proportions.

What does the second graph mean? Not including 35.27% 49.05% of bots, this is what the “real player” percentage looks like at launch vs now. This is what the first graph would look like if there were no bots. I believe this is realistic, and still shows berserker and sorceress to be 2 of the most popular classes in the game, which we all know to be true.

There is a slight disparity in the total % of the new calculation, but this can be attributed to a non-uniform change in class representation. You can see the popularity of support classes went down a little, and other DPS classes had uniform increase.


Note: Calculations below are for original Feb-24 data.

Calculations:

The calculations are quite simple, and can be proven doing a basic pen and paper exercise if you want to try them yourself.

  • (1) I calculated the average “non-bot” classes percent compared to the founders launch. This essentially means that these classes only have 66.15% of their original representation (avg of feb24% / launch%)
  • (2) I calculated the “bot-classes” percent compared to the founders launch. This means their representation is 231.33% the size of their original representation (feb24% / launch%).
  • I divided the “new bot-class %”(2) by the “new non bot-class %”(1) to obtain the actual percentage of “bot-classes” compared to launch
  • I removed 100% to account for the base representation, leaving 249.68% which represents the disproportionate increase attributed to bots
  • Finally, determined the “percentage of bots” by calculating ( % increase due to bots * original % ) / ( total % + % increase due to bots * original % ), in this case (249.68% * 21.82%) / (100% + 249.68% * 21.82%) = 35.27%

I will continue to update these numbers and graphs as the bot problem worsens.


Feb 26: Bots still steadily increasing on the server.

  • Warrior: 38.5% → 41.9%
  • Mage: 23.2% → 23.9%

Feb 28: Bots still steadily increasing on the server.

  • Warrior: 41.9% → 45.1%
  • Mage: 23.9% → 25.4%
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early access was a bliss

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It’s so bad I have been thinking maybe wiping the servers and starting all over again wouldn’t be so bad idea. There has to be some kind of restriction to stop gold farmers from creating accounts. I would also welcome in-game captcha tools that would allow players to remove the bots from the game right away. Reports feel like waste of time.

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Money was made, that’s for sure :grinning:

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Because of the queue on Trixion, I was playing in Calvasus for 20 min in low level areas (loghill/ankumo) and I’ve seen at least 50 of them…
I should probably don’t care and play for me but this is quite demoralizing to play with cylons…

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Thats crazy

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It really is a critical issue, and more players are starting to feel the impact of it. People are just starting to realize “bots = queues”

I played extensively since early launch, and the first few days were perfect. Now that I have 2 characters in T2, I went back to level life skills in early zones.

I assumed there were probably 5-10% bots based on the insane area chat spam. After seeing the starter zones, I realized it had to be much worse. The majority of characters I saw were speedhacking, teleporting, no-clipping bots using berserkers and sorcs.

Every additional day this is not addressed allows the permanent economic damage to grow even worse.

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lol what a crazy amount of bots man @Roxx

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You’re right though. Throughout this whole day i’ve seen a bunch of bots using warp/speed hack, walking through walls and powerleveling (presumably so they can overcome the level 30 zone chat limitation), they amounted for almost 80% of all people i’ve seen today in west luterra, every single one of them were sorceress or berserker.

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It’s okay, I’m sure they’re working just as hard on this issue as they are on every other glaring issue, not like bots raise their player numbers and make some shareholders touch themselves to user counts.

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Unlike WoW though, bots in this game are actually bad for the developers since they don’t buy anything, encourage “spenders” to avoid the in-game store, and prevent the “spenders” from even entering the game.

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Multiboxers everywhere pls stop them

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I bumped / edited this since the smooth brains on reddit called me stupid and couldn’t understand the math “oh so you’re saying my sorc and berserker are bots?”

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It’s reddit though, don’t take anything there too seriously; Cheeto crusted fingers hammering away at keyboards as they fill their parents’ basements with the clack-clack-clack of their mechanical keys.

Your post was an awesome visualisation of how bad the problem is, cheers friend!

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Yeah, just watched an entire army of Sorcs walk to all the boards and trot around Vern. I started to join in on the fun and start making massive profit from this myself. Since all these bots tend to do is farm and sell mats. Watch and learn their timing patterns and you’ll see the market fluctuate heavily since they all put them up roughly around the same time (resets, heavy traffic times). Easily crank up the prices and turn huge profits. Go deeper and this starts to impact your currency exchange rates since those change depending on how much gold is converted to crystals (or vice versa). At this point I’ve actually halted getting anything into T3 since T1-T2 still turns so much of a profit. I would also love for this to be fixed. But if we’re gonna let them run rampant, I’m gonna profit from it too. I bought the silver pack since the beta, so far up to 15k gold and 4k crystals.

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Appreciate you spending the time to lay it out. I think i might have actually read it and was surprised by all the people saying, bots in an mmo? first time? Yet I don’t think a lot of them realize just how bad it is.
I actually ran a campaign dungeon today with 3 bots. It was weird cause they were just following walls far away from the actual objective. When i asked em if they were bots, thinking they may have just been new, i received no response.

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I can forgive arrogance, and I can forgive ignorance. When they are combined, it becomes something terrible called “Reddit”

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3000+ queue to get into Mari right now, I wonder why. Maybe some characters are staying logged in? At least they are other players like myself enjoying the game!

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13k on valtan and i bet those that were botting around spawn are still there

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I’m sorry but you can’t calculate hidden factors into an equation. You DON’T know if players decided to make that class or not…

You also do not know the class population. There is NOTHING stating this ANYWHERE.

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