what do you think? p2w, p2fast
try to dont be toxic
p2fast, nobody is winning anythingā¦unless theyāre getting lucky with drops in hard mode dungeons/argos and selling for a lot. Unfortunately I am one of those people that has not gotten good drops.
Iām a little disappointed I grinded as hard as I didā¦cause the content you get at 1370-1400 justā¦isnāt super duper amazing. Felt lackluster, except p2 argos.
2 Likes
Too late;
In my book. If you can spend money to buy power, it is always p2w. I donāt justify bad game design with āOo but itās pay to convenienceā.
4 Likes
Both are the same. When you pay to skip content in a time gated game, that is p2w. Paying for progression is quintessential p2w. Paying for power is p2w too.
When these methods are available to all players, paying or not given enough timeā¦this is F2P friendly. If these methods were gated with real money or currency only gained through real money, that would be F2P unfriendly.
I think the thing people are trying to say is that a P2W F2P unfriendly game is garbage, which they are right.
This game is P2W, it is also F2P friendly.
4 Likes
Pay to advance quickly. PvP is equalized so thereās nothing to win. All the people swiping thousands of dollars for what, 1430? What are they winning? Their money, their choice but itās certainly not necessary to go broke if you canāt afford to invest. Thereās no reason to invest that much. Who is admiring them? No one I think. Now skins, mounts, pets, furniture thatās another story 
Iād pay for those, but not for gear.
Iāll see you at the next red light.
1 Like
Why is this even a discussion?
Iām not trying to be toxic but itās completely irrelevant. Why does it matter? if you want to pay to progress then go for it, if you donāt then donātā¦ simple.
This is something that keeps coming up and is just pointless to even talk about. It doesnāt add any kind of feedback nor does it improve anything about the game.
This.
Unfortunately many streamers have been talking āis lost ark p2w? oh absolutelyā and itās really got people worked up. Even though itās not p2w streamers have taken up the cause anyway.
1 Like
+1
Itās undoubtly P2W which is also āPay-2-progress-fastā. The direct advantage against players will only be felt in guild vs guild but the fact stays the same
You pay = you progress fast = you can do higher lvl content that reward more items = you can sustain your āhighā position for very long even if you stop paying.
It is p2w but the kind that doesnāt really affect others
Because they raised minimum item levels on late game content to encourage people to swipe more to get there, and there are people who donāt even care about said content defending these practices and saying the game is fine.
1 Like
What other people do in the game bears no impact on the player next to them.
^currently.
In my book P2W is in reference to competitive gaming in which the capability to āwinā is there.
The only competitive thing in LA is PVP and thatās all balanced.
Argos isnāt even āEnd Gameā content, this is scratching the surface of whatās to come.
Imagine youāre in line waiting for something right? The end of the line is āEnd Gameāā¦ well we donāt have that, so youāre complaining some people paid to progress faster to get to the front of a line that isnāt even āEnd Gameā and the next line hasnāt even opened upā¦. So now everyone else is coming up to that exact same spot but they did it for free, just took a bit more time yeah?
So now a ton of people have hit the end of the current line and all standing in the same spot waiting for the SECOND line to open up just to race to the end and hit ANOTHER wall that will last some time before āEnd Gameā is released and caught up w/ KRā¦.
So then every 2-3 months this cycle will repeat even when weāve caught up to the same content.
So you got to play a free game while somebody else supporting the company which helps cover the cost of your free game maintenance and devs responding/satiating the free players wanting free handouts other people paid forā¦ā¦
And youāre going to complain that you end up in the same exact place as somebody else a little behind them because they paid for expedited service thatās funds your free serviceā¦
TL;DR
Thereās no āwinningā here unless your definition of winning is getting to the end of a line first to then sit and wait while everyone catches up.
You play a free game thatās paid for by the whales that get to the front of said proverbial line first and wait for you to catch up before they can enter and rush to the front of the second line and cycle through again.
Enjoy your free game
What the fuck is wrong with this entitled gaming world
1 Like
Its purely entitlement, FOMO, and jealousy all wrapped into one.
1 Like
Just another person trying to suggest the game is not P2W and using arbitrary nonsense to obscure it.
Well thereās different types of P2W and if its the scummy, badly designed P2W where free players are heavily restricted and gated and paying players get to play, thatās terrible. If its the better designed P2W where everything is accessible to free players as long as they sink the time, that is F2P friendly.
If a game is not F2P friendly, it is a deal breaker for a lot of people including myself.
At the current moment the game feels F2P friendly, despite being P2W.
What feedback people give here bears impact, especially if it people who donāt do X content give feedback to shape X content.
p2w for sure ā¦
But i m kind of really strict so these days almost all games fall into this discriptionā¦
Basically if u can buy with money just the same progress as the top player so just their effort / time exchange for money its barely p2progress as soon as u can go faster or even higher thats p2w :p. But since this game has basically an extremly high ceiling. Which u usally donāt hit it canāt work like that.
On sth like ff14 were all (non leveling chars) play basically 2 patches in a range of only 30 ilvl and after 3 months its resets again. There its a different story
Itās FACT, not āarbitrary nonsenseā. The game is pay to progress. Thatās it.
Theyāve already admitted to their fuk up with releasing Argos before people were able to upgrade their gear for it. Thatās on them and they owned up to it.
Honestly, if you play the game itās not hard to progress. I have not put a single penny into this and am completely F2P. Iām currently at 1362 iLevel. If i didnāt have actual life commitments and could commit to gamer hours of 12+ a day then sure, iād be at 1370 easily.
Iām not defending anything, iām stating the facts. If people were able to posy constructive criticism instead of just straight up shit talking then maybe things would be able to improve faster.
My original point still stands. This post gives nothing to the overall development of the game as it is completely irrelevant and does nothing but promotes the butt hurt 352 iLevel andies that donāt actually know what theyāre talking about to come and shit post.