I post those all the time on bid only, next day when it bouces back I delete, not gonna bother more than that with non bis
Everyday a new post about pheons, why dont u guys just buy some pheons from the shop with your gold?
Why are non bis items so cheap? Because of pheons. The cost of pheons is calculated into the price of those semi useful accessories. If pheons are removed then the price of the accessories will also increase because ppl will start buying them. And then you will have a new higher market price and you will cry again saying its too expensive again to gear alts.
In fact for people who use the free pheons they get in a smart way, they get to get these accessories for cheaper. Is it that complicated to change ur gold to blue crystals and then buy pheons? This is another benefit of pheons btw, it helps the blue crystal market
Thatâs a take not commonly brought up in the forum. People probably just lazy to factor the conversion between the 3 currencies
Gold â Blue Crystals â Pheons
I think they need to get rid of pheon costs for anything below relicâŚjust WAY too expensive to gear up 1340/1370 and so people are ignoring it and waiting for 1415âŚand so nothing is selling and it snowballs that eventually you just wonât be able to get thoseâŚ
What if i tell you before Pheons thing even worse than this?
That doesnât make pheons better, it just makes the old storage box system seem even worse, which it wasâŚ
look at this guy putting so much emphasis on an extra 1x3 when he probably does 2x3 dps
Thereâs no before pheons in our version and our version is nothing like the korean experience.
Nothing about pheons was adjusted to our version, to the botting/rmt problem, to the extremely fast pacing of the game, very fast switching of the tears, very newbiew-unfriendly experience because of said pacing and because they canât seem to make up their mind with the handouts (they are either way too generous and they make players feel like they have enough or way too stingy with them when they actually needed them), to the ru/kr/jp veterans abusing the market, and especially to the lack of any in-game emphasys on what they are and what they do. No game should require googling something to understand what it does.
Thereâs no comparison to be made between the two.
Personally I never said everything about the pheons is bad. However there a ton of problems about them and absolutely no adjustments have been made for our version of the game, even when there was a desperate need for at least some tweaks. Most notably when the botting and rmt were in full force. And itâs an unfun system overall.
Iâm really curious how many people quit only because of this as-is/as-was shit system. Now itâs too late. SG/AGS might as well shove them up their ***
You have no idea what youâre even talking about. A low ceiling? Cheap items? Just complete nonsense. The former doesnât mean anything and the latter is just false, as the Pheon costs would be fixed to a degree after which it wouldnât increase anymore beyond the initial Pheon cost we already have. Hence the accessory prices would stay the same for higher tiered accessories, while it would also mean that prices for budget accessories would increase because there would be more demand for them, which would still mean that itâd still be cheaper to buy them because the Pheon costs wouldnât be insane
Right now the only way you can sell budget accessories is to put them on the market for 19 gold and wait until someone dumb enough comes along and buys it off you, without any proper knowledge of the Pheon costs. Which is not a reliable or consistent market at all, hence thereâs a fundamental problem that needs a solution. And the solution is very simple: Price based Pheon costs
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This isnât realistic and would result in an overly complicated system. Tying blue crystal price fluctuation to market demand price fluctuation is a bad idea overall.
And nobody wants to pay 100 pheons for an expensive bis accessory. While you might not be suggesting that, we need to keep in mind companies are greedy so this is their version of your suggestion 
However, I think itâs reasonable that the pheon price on legendary items should be lowered once the relic sets have been introduced on the market. Same for ancient vs relic items. As a baseline. I get the high end items, but why do we really need this for legendaries at this point. And tier 2 and purple accessories shouldnât cost pheons at all. Like come on itâs not like a lot of pheons are getting used for that, 99% of people know not to do that. So itâs just a gate at this point. Just a forced âplay your shitty alt the shitty wayâ.
The dumbest thing possible is the fact that selling tier 2 legendary stones is more profitable then tier 3 ones. This is how backwards the current system is.
Blue crystals donât cost Pheons. Itâs not a complicated system either.
And nobody would make it this way. Thereâs obviously a minimum and a maximum cost of Pheons
The rest: Nah. For the other qualities it doesnât really matter as their Pheon costs are already much lower than Relics and above. Obviously you could just copypaste the Pheon cost increments and steps over to other qualities too, with their maximum step being the current Pheon cost of the accessories, which is probably what they should do. Itâs just that itâs a much more irrelevant issue really
Pls stop complaining about extra 5k gold for 100 pheons. They will never remove pheons its only way to give AGS and SGs oportunity to sell gold for real money and not causing any inflation. If u dont have gold for pheons u play this game wrong or u have to low lvl and u should not worry about that for now or u waste gold and buy out honing materials.
The same flow of pheons must be kept for any changes to happen to the system. Otherwise SG wonât want to do anything. For examples for relics the same average of 25 pheons must be kept. If low-end items get a insignificant pheon cost, high-end must proportionally increase in price. And because there are more low-end items generally available the discrepancy between them is only going to grow.
When I said it isnât realistic, I meant expecting this to actually happen in the same way you are probably imagining.
Also it doesnât matter that blue crystals donât cost pheons, as long as pheons cost blue crystals. When you dynamically adjust the price of items on the market based solely on the price of blue crystals you completely make it dependant on whales (this is what pheon scaling based on gold price means - pheons will dictate the gold cost, not the other way around). At least with a fixed cost everyone involved knows what to expect.
Itâs never going to happen. Some would say because itâs a bad system, while others seem to tolerate even bad systems as long as they can deal with them or are satisfied with calling others bad at the game for having a problem with it.
After 5 months of never-ending complaints about it we still canât agree itâs shit? Or maybe everyone is just stupid and crazy and whiny and whatever.
Sez u
Sez $ and the ingame economy which needs pheons to keep the royal crystal/blue crystal/gold exchange relevant.
No, sez only u
Ok mate
This system let them sell gold via item shop so they earn money with no effect on game gold inflation. Dont be suprised they want earn as much as they can for developing gameâŚ
You said: "The solution is very simple:
Make Pheon costs be based on the gold cost of the accessory"
You then actually realized what you said is complete garbage and add, out of nowhere the following:
âas the Pheon costs would be fixed to a degree after which it wouldnât increase anymore beyond the initial Pheon cost we already haveâ
My reply was to your first proposal, since you like to bark like a dog let me break it down for you:
Pheon price is dictated by gold price this means I pay more pheons if the item is expensive. Oh that accessories costs 40.000 gold and 200 pheons? Yea fuck that. This would lead to items dropping significantly in price.
If youâre even to stupid to think this far donât even bother spitting nonsense and calling others out. ESPECIALLY if add something you previously didnt mention and call others reply nonsense.