Pheons don’t sink gold, just BC (store credit). If you trade gold for BC to buy pheons, the gold is transferred in its entirety to the person offering the store credit (RC that is turned into BC). Pheons do nothing to stop flipping as you say (a nonsensical pheon excuse).
Pheons are an artificial demand limiter (players buy less since they need pheons) and hence act to reduce prices due to supply/demand principles. Hence they do control inflation somewhat (less people in AH, prices must go down). But they have all the various drawbacks mentioned and hurt more than help. The best way to control inflation is to control the gold supply (less created gold, more gold sinks).
The reason pheons exist rather than controlling the gold supply is profit for SG/AGS. If you do the math (238 RC = 100 BC and 1 RC = $0.01), each relic accessory for example consumes $5.95 of store credit. That’s $29.75 of consumed store credit per relic accessory set. That’s the reason they exist rather than any better inflation controlling measure. Thus, SG/AGS don’t want to control the gold supply and want everyone to have lots of gold to be able to buy accessories, the prices for which they keep low using pheons, so that you use BC to get those pheons and make them the profit.
That line right there is exactly it. In other words, it’s a gold sink. The faster players loose gold, the more likely they will swipe their credit card.
I have 6 chards that can do vykas nm and hard. I can barely keep up with the gold demand. How can a new player with 1 to 2 char keep up with this sort of pace? Credit card
Not trying to split hairs, but it’s a blue crystal sink. No gold is lost, it just changes hands during the acquisition of blue crystals. It still promotes swiping all the same as those who need to gear up still find themselves facing the same dilemma of needing to swipe to either afford the pheons, the items, or both due to heavily regulated gold faucets.
New players have it all the more rough as they are facing these problems gearing their mains, where as most of us are just dealing with this problem on our alts since we were here when honing materials were still worth something. So they’re actually facing a much worse grind than many of us ever did, or foresaw, when I first made this topic.
Pheons don’t remove gold from the gold supply. You trade gold for BC, the other person gets all of the gold. Net neutral to the gold supply of the game. Not a gold sink. In contrast, honing is a gold sink. You hone, gold is removed from the gold supply of the game (no one else gets it).
But an individual player has less gold since they had to trade it in for BC to buy pheons. So for that player, pheons sink their gold (by giving it to another player).
Perhaps we have different idea what the term “gold sink” is. For me, it’s a way that the system drains one’s gold. And peon does exactly that, unless you are willing to swipe which is worse.
Though going back to your explanation, peon then is a mask to money sink. Buying BR to convert it into gold requires RMT. Whatever the case is, peon does not work for us. It works against us.
Yes I looked at it again today, these pheons are rubbish, I buy an item for 100gold on AH and get charged 15 pheons which work out to 10gems per pheon or 100gold each, so the items plus pheon cost is 1500+100 +cost for trade fee=1600g for a terrible item that’s worth no more then 20g. 100 pheons =850gems??? that’s 8500 gold for pheons? this needs to be sorted asap. 1 pheon 100gold for an item is good enough. we have 3 to4 alts and they are using all from the same pot? Trash idea. This will kill this game mark my words, no one is good to pay for pheons only whales and they are limited amount of players that rush game, get bored then move on. This game could be way better it’s like they cant think out of the box of money-making if you have players it is money if you have no players and bored ones you lose them.
The raid to limited and dungeons are limited, what happens to running dungeons for fun and hope you roll good items that are made for your class? Also, books you need you roll random bad ones all the time, engravings that are trash, everyone has Grunge and keen, whatever the top 4 are, what the point of all the others if they are trash and very limited, no individual style engraving that does different good stuff, cause to limited and big negatives. The game needs fixing in a very big way. The island and sea could have way more things you could pick up or do and trades skills could be opened, not cost you crazy gold when you’re making them. and the cost way too high, I really don’t get it. If you have items to make the product why would it cost gold? should be supply and demand farmed by players. That means you are making money cause players online are money if they want the perks to farm in bulk, like pets that carry a large number of items if you are farming.
This game is all old dudes playing bikini-wearing white girls, that are meant to be armor, it’s a joke. A character that is only as strong as the items he is wearing.
@Roxx we need an immediate change to pheons before this game dies bc of it. i haven’t sold a quality piece of relic gear in over 3 weeks.
crystal prices are ridiculously high. rmt bans. argos busses are now risk of bans due to rmt gold. we don’t have the gold we need to support them. how can we enjoy playing this game on our alts when guardian and legion raids take a miserable amount of time due to engravings? my trash gear alts can’t even get into runs let alone when they do the dps is garb. anyone playing the game non rmt doesn’t have enough gold to justify pheons for gearing more than one character.
AGS, you told us this game wouldn’t be p2w at launch. you said playing alts is how to avoid p2w. now please give us a break here and make a very needed change.
proposed solutions:
make pheons more accessible in game
heavily nerf the cost of pheons
when creating an alt, all characters receive 300 char bound pheons for their use to gear up (or create char specific achievements for each tier… idc get creative)
the real problem is that it feels very very miserable to pay to play. it is to pay to have the option to play f2p and be able to get your own gold. without sense
when you need to swipe card to get it? or maybe wasting around 3k Gold RN because the purple crystal price is around 1k for 95, because fck u ill take my 5 crystal tax, and log in reward… like 15 pheons every month with a an ongoing 9 pheons weekly? that’s a nonsense, besides if they add pheons to Prime Gaming will be more profitable to them instead of trying to give us leftovers
Maybe… Prime gaming rewards around 20 pheons? with their normal log in 15 Pheons reward and maybe a weekly purchase of 10-20 pheons roster limit with bloodstones/gold/pirate coins? aside of the purchable 9 weekly pheons because event (that could be higher up to 20 and won’t hurt anyone)
Pheon is a stupid thing… I want to buy some accesories with 100-500 gold but i need 25 pheons, what mean 25 pheons? 95 blue crystal cost 1k gold now, ii need 250 blue crystal to can buy 25 pheons, that mean 2500 gold, so i need to pay 2500 gold to buy an 200 gold item? how is that fair for f2p player? Im not pro player, im not a rinch man and i play this game to relax, but i can`t buy my accesories because this ridiculous pheon system, and to be honest, if i must wait to drop good accesories, i think i most live 3-4 lifes to get 1 with good stats…
as long as pheons exist all my alt’s are gonna be out of whack engraving wise and yes it is a money grab because depending on the trade ratio of gold to blue crystals i’m not forking over 9-10k gold for 800 blue crystals to buy 100 pheons so i can then have the right to buy what i want
@Shadow_Fox I was never going to bump my own thread, but here you go since you seem to be be at least looking at them… There was a ton of discussion in this thread months ago that was completely ignored.