Please don’t change the topic. I am the OP, you are answering to the post made by me. Let ignorant be ignorant. For those who know the value of pheons, all I ask is that is there a way to increase demand i.e. incentive to purchase non-bis items with the current pheon system and if pheon cost for transferring gear and relic stones can be reduced for overall better player experience with alts.
Yes, we need the pheon system and it exists to fulfill a purpose, but can it be improvised or is it perfect?
Let’s assume OP is right, pheons are here to protect us from the evil market flippers who would make all our purple accessories super expensive. Save us SG from this horror!! And they do, they give us pheons so that no one even bothers listing those accessories. Can’t be scammed then.
Anyway, if they are protecting us, then why aren’t pheons purchasable using gold? Oh you can trade your gold for BC and get them. Ofc that’s sinking BC (store credit) and turning revenue into profit. Oh wait…
I didnt answer your post because i disagree with it. Pheons are fine the way they are. Majority of complaints come from ppl trying to roll a 7/7 and wasting the 500 pheons they got for free since launch.
Ur tldr where you say booming in with demand doesnt help the supply issue at all. Pheons were added as they were in korea because ability stones went up to 10k per piece.
The system is fine, u just need to plan around it instead of buying random stones and accessories then wondering why youre out of pheons
Nah it’s a store credit sink pure and simple. Again defenders think of all kinds of reasons to support them. This is because the system was more designed by psychologists that economists. It’s an illusion that convinces players of pheons worth. Yes SG we need pheons let me sink $29.75 worth of store credit for each set of relic accessories. Think about that. Buying two sets of relic accessories, something many in this forum probably have done (at least), is the price of a triple A game. Please.
Also you can buy them directly in the store by converting RC to BC. This is completely outside the gold system and has no impact or relation to gold inflation.
If you disagree with a reason, that is also considered as an answer but you would rather be sarcastic to other forum users on an out of topic subject. Alas, pheons are perfectly implemented, why wouldn’t they? It is not like AGS/Smilegate are capable of anything short of perfection.
Sounds like youre being sarcastic now but i do believe the current system is fine. If you wasted the 500 free pheons youve gotten so far, thats on the player. Not to mention, pheons are very affordable with the amount of gold we make now
500 Pheons can evaporate when cutting stones, I won’t blame any player if they are frustrated there. Realistically you can gear two characters at the Relic level before the third starts to suffer. Get off your high horse.
Plan better and they wont evaporate. Dont need a 7/7 stone on an alt, dont even need it on a main if you invest some of your gold to buying legendary books every week. Games a marathon, u dont need everything now.
You can’t explain normal supply and demand to them. They need their artificial demand limiter. Good for whales tho. They just buy their pheons from the store with money and don’t need to grind gold since everything is priced below true market.
I thought in a similar system. But instead of pricing, I thought it scaling with the accessory quality. So let’s say you have a 30 quality relic accessory and the range of pheons for relic accessory ranges between 9 to 25 (0-100 quality).
So every 1 point of quality the accessory has, it is added 0.14 pheon to it’s cost (16 pheons/100 quality).
So for a 30 quality accessory,
9+ 30*0.16 = 14.8 = 15 pheons to round up.
In that way lesser quality accessories will cost less in gold and pheons making them somewhat viable to use temporarily.
Pheons need to be overhaul. This thing is killing the game more than helping it and it is showing with the constant drop in the playerbase even excluding bot.
If company only focus in short term, then they will suffer permanent loss in the long term. Right now this pheons thing is short term than rather growing a slid player base and milk them gradually. If you ask why Amazon why was consistently unprofitable during the early days when it has the choice to be come profitable is because the long term vision of profitability need to be set with a solid foundations and infrastructure such as setting up AWS and all the infra that comes with it.
For the case of Lost Ark and especially this hard core repetitive dull game, it need to grow the player base as much as possible then need to focus on retaining it. If pheons is causing the player to bleed then it need to go or be overhaul. Otherwise, the game will gradually fade and die. For those white knight take some time and think about it. You might be fine right now and saying all good and stuff. What if one day you found yourself in a dead server like EUW. Will you restart from scratch again in another server. You guys need to see thing further than what it is in front right now and what it is ahead by keeping this system is not looking good base on the latest trend number.
If player base is dropping on a constant basis let’s said roughly 40k remains next year, do you really think AGS will continue to publish a game that it is not its own IP ? Most likely, it will be more profitable for them to sell off their contract to another party and reallocate those server for some other business.
Nice idea but it begs the question, lf lets assume you are selling a 100 quality accessory with 1 engraving BiS and the other useless vs someone who is selling 70 quality with one Bis engraving and other somehwhat BiS engraving. Clearly the latter should win in terms of overall demand and be more expensive than the former, but with this suggestion is actually cheaper. At the end of the day, engravings make much more of a difference than few 10’s of units of quality. The Buy now considers every factor and then directly correlates to pheon costs.
The current 25 pheons for expensive BiS accessories makes sense as otherwise you will constantly see flipping of AH but for temporary accessories that you intend to use only for some time before you can make enough gold or grind out BiS accessories SHOULD NOT cost 25 pheons in price.
I think scaling it with overall buy now price makes more sense.
So I accidentally purchased several necklaces on an alternate character, I did so because I honestly thought, I wouldn’t win all of them. So I thought to myself, great I can use them on another character, turns out you have to pay Pheons when you do that also.
So I not only paid the Phoen fee I purchased it but also when I traded it to myself. Talk about a reason NOT to purchase gear and simply wait for the appropriate drop yourself.
I only realized I had been paying Pheons for the items after the 5-6 item, just wanted an item, to boost my stats wasn’t even BiS
but i do believe the current system is fine. If you wasted the 500 free pheons youve gotten so far, thats on the player. Not to mention, pheons are very affordable with the amount of gold we make now