500 Pheons can evaporate when cutting stones, I won’t blame any player if they are frustrated there. Realistically you can gear two characters at the Relic level before the third starts to suffer. Get off your high horse.
Plan better and they wont evaporate. Dont need a 7/7 stone on an alt, dont even need it on a main if you invest some of your gold to buying legendary books every week. Games a marathon, u dont need everything now.
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Good luck with that! Cause i just listed one exact same item for 9999g
Oh and monkeyman18 also listed one for 8500g
And another random fella for 3842
Will you buy all of them? Nice! three happy people
And more will drop the same item every. single. day. I hope you have enough demand to sell all of these
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You can’t explain normal supply and demand to them. They need their artificial demand limiter. Good for whales tho. They just buy their pheons from the store with money and don’t need to grind gold since everything is priced below true market.
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Meanwhile you’re trying to one tap your weapon for 1k or something and failing like 10 times in a row.
Had a good laugh, thx
I thought in a similar system. But instead of pricing, I thought it scaling with the accessory quality. So let’s say you have a 30 quality relic accessory and the range of pheons for relic accessory ranges between 9 to 25 (0-100 quality).
So every 1 point of quality the accessory has, it is added 0.14 pheon to it’s cost (16 pheons/100 quality).
So for a 30 quality accessory,
9+ 30*0.16 = 14.8 = 15 pheons to round up.
In that way lesser quality accessories will cost less in gold and pheons making them somewhat viable to use temporarily.
Pheons need to go asap, they shouldnt even exist to begin with…
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Pheons need to be overhaul. This thing is killing the game more than helping it and it is showing with the constant drop in the playerbase even excluding bot.
If company only focus in short term, then they will suffer permanent loss in the long term. Right now this pheons thing is short term than rather growing a slid player base and milk them gradually. If you ask why Amazon why was consistently unprofitable during the early days when it has the choice to be come profitable is because the long term vision of profitability need to be set with a solid foundations and infrastructure such as setting up AWS and all the infra that comes with it.
For the case of Lost Ark and especially this hard core repetitive dull game, it need to grow the player base as much as possible then need to focus on retaining it. If pheons is causing the player to bleed then it need to go or be overhaul. Otherwise, the game will gradually fade and die. For those white knight take some time and think about it. You might be fine right now and saying all good and stuff. What if one day you found yourself in a dead server like EUW. Will you restart from scratch again in another server. You guys need to see thing further than what it is in front right now and what it is ahead by keeping this system is not looking good base on the latest trend number.
If player base is dropping on a constant basis let’s said roughly 40k remains next year, do you really think AGS will continue to publish a game that it is not its own IP ? Most likely, it will be more profitable for them to sell off their contract to another party and reallocate those server for some other business.
Nice idea but it begs the question, lf lets assume you are selling a 100 quality accessory with 1 engraving BiS and the other useless vs someone who is selling 70 quality with one Bis engraving and other somehwhat BiS engraving. Clearly the latter should win in terms of overall demand and be more expensive than the former, but with this suggestion is actually cheaper. At the end of the day, engravings make much more of a difference than few 10’s of units of quality. The Buy now considers every factor and then directly correlates to pheon costs.
The current 25 pheons for expensive BiS accessories makes sense as otherwise you will constantly see flipping of AH but for temporary accessories that you intend to use only for some time before you can make enough gold or grind out BiS accessories SHOULD NOT cost 25 pheons in price.
I think scaling it with overall buy now price makes more sense.
So I accidentally purchased several necklaces on an alternate character, I did so because I honestly thought, I wouldn’t win all of them. So I thought to myself, great I can use them on another character, turns out you have to pay Pheons when you do that also.
So I not only paid the Phoen fee I purchased it but also when I traded it to myself. Talk about a reason NOT to purchase gear and simply wait for the appropriate drop yourself.
I only realized I had been paying Pheons for the items after the 5-6 item, just wanted an item, to boost my stats wasn’t even BiS
Except 15 Pheons isn’t 2K gold, more like 10,000 gold, spent 15 Pheons without realizing it on a 100 gold item.
In SA where 95 blue crystals cost 2000 gold, 15 Pheons would cost 3000 gold
And I mean if you guys didn’t know that for every transaction in the auction house you pay pheons (except for gems), at least now you know
No, pheons cannot go away or some evil meanies will havoc the AH for accessories. Stones ? Well maybe tune it down a bit or not whatever.
Pheons for MAILING YOUR OWN EARNED ACCESSORIES and STONES to your own alts? RIDICULOUS 
Doesn’t happen in any other MMO without pheons and there’s zero proof of this but ok keep believing that.
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Well what i am proposing is that in AH, if there is a buyout price, pheons should scale off that and if there isn’t any buyout then a “expected buy out” option to be added before the seller adds the listing.
In terms of mailing, that should have a fixed amount tbh. Think about it this way, the only reason to mail gear is because you actually grinded it or sometimes because your alt is low item lvl and you found a cheap accessory on AH. Either way, since mailing will cost some pheons, it is always best to purchase it with the character you want it for. The lower cost of pheons will at least incentivize players to transfer non bis gear to alts to temporarily gear them to a satisfactory level for the content they are doing.
Right now, no one ever transfers any gear to any alts and alts have 2x3 engravings because you might as well wait till you reach 1415 and just spend them on relic gear instead of spending on legendary and then again on relic.
stopped at the ‘‘economy needs them’’ no it doesn’t
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The solution to that is simple…you put a limit on the number of stones you can purchase in day.
Or you reduce the the number of stones a user can post at a time. Right now you are already locked to 8 items total. THey could easily restrict that by type down to 2.
Pheons are a lazy dev answer to a problem that could have been solved a number of better ways with the significant side effect of giving them lots of $$$.
I can come up with at 3 ways to solve the flipping issue right off the top of my head that are far better solutions:
1 - Tighter limit on the number of items of a type you can post (i.e. 2 stones at a time)
2 - Tighter limit on the number of an item type you can by in a day/week (i.e 5 stones a week)
3 - Flip timer…you can’t re-sell an item you just bought for 5 days (the best option stops flipping almost entirely)
They didn’t want to solve the flipping issue without a profit built into it.
I would be fine with 3., but that does not stop flipping, it just delays it by 5 days
Point 1. and 2. are just bad in my opinion
If I have pheons and gold, want to cut a stone but I’m limited to buy 5 stones a week? It will take months to get a decent stone
Same if you limit how many people can list in the auction house, not everyone has multiple stones listed in the auction house but it will still potentially limit the supply
When I was cutting my stone I bought every single one from 300g to 1200g per stone to cut my 7/7, and I couldn’t continue because there were no stones available.
Those two are not good solutions
But reducing pheon costs for stones would be good, because you can’t resell them anyway (they are only tradable once, like engraving books)
Yes and no. The same gear might vost more, but you would see easier ways to obtain it. Non perfect roll items would show ip on the AH. You could easily gear an alt to 3x3 for less money because you could be buying shit 4th engraving items since it isnt needed at that level. You could be like class engraving 3 adrenaline 3 keen blunt 3 and then some hodgepodge of random bs because it was cheaper than going for a full 4th engraving. Those items would all be dirt cheap. The bis items would actually likely fall in price because they wouldnt be as in demand.
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